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Lots of other species that get larger and are pretty too. Suck it up and deal with it. I like wolves because of their personality but that isn't a reason for me to have one over a dog.
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Wolves are entirely different, they aren't developed socially enough to be kept as standard dogs. If you're keeping one as you would a dog- I have a problem with it. If you're keeping a dog in a proper enclosure, with an 8'+ fence, 6' deep fence, and fed a natural raw diet- more power to you. I've worked with wolves and wolf dogs, they aren't bad animals and some people are more than capable of owning them.
Again, I'm not going to "suck it up and deal with it" other species of snakes are not fun to keep, why settle when I can do what I enjoy and what I love. I won't settle, I won't be a sheep.
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You've missed my point here as well because you've never read all my posts. I'm talking about the illegal keeping of the species. If it's legal where you are, it's less of a problem for me. I still prefer they were just out of the hobby.
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I'd prefer the cancer that is ball pythons out of the hobby too, maybe that way all the people who keep snakes/get into snakes for the money aspect would leave with them, but that doesn't mean it's a smart argument now does it.
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That isn't my logic at all. You obviously can't tell the difference between something that can act upon it's own thoughts (live animals) versus something that is more or less a tool (that's a severe understatement but it makes my point)
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Sure thing, I guess dogs should be banned to then? Especially bully breeds with the potential to do serious harm. Punish all owners because of the minority of irresponsible ones. Just because you want a mastiff, pitbull, rott, etc doesn't mean you should have one, just get a small dog, deal with it.
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Problem I have is that the few people who don't keep them properly are now placing the entire hobby in jeopardy. I for one just believe that if it's the entire hobby or the giants, the giants can be gone. We won't win this political war without breaking a few eggs. Sucks that your hobby is seen as dangerous.
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Have you ever talked to politicians? They hear "boa" or "python" and get scared REGARDLESS of species. If you think giants being banned is going to stop them from going after ALL species of snakes you are fooling yourself and delusional. They wanted to ban ball pythons just as badly as giants originally, we fought it back to the few species that ended up banned.
All snakes are seen as dangerous, I've watched people freak out of corn snakes and boas, get real. To your experienced reptile keeper you have a point, to your average uneducated Joe- your words mean nothing. To HSUS- they don't care, and want them all banned regardless.
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For the record I do love and respect giants. I've owned them and worked with them. I just stick to my local by-laws because I'm not going to the cause for everyone to lose their hobby because I'm not selfish.
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My laws allow them to be legal. No one is going to lose their hobby because of me.
Giant keepers are on the front lines of this fight, we are the most passionate, driven, group of reptile keepers I've met alongside experienced varanid keepers. You don't see this level of passion, drive, etc out of most average bp or corn keepers. We bust our asses to keep our animals and protect YOURS from becoming next. If you think they will stop with giants- you need a serious reality check, you don't belong in this hobby.
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