True length of "record" giant pythons.

[millertime89]

So using dwarf locality genetics is wrong? Won't get any argument from me that maintenance feeding an animal to keep it small is wrong but when a snake won't grow due to genetics it won't grow. Evolution is a wondrous thing (usually).

I still say one of the best looking retics is a high silver normal.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by millertime89

So using dwarf locality genetics is wrong? Won't get any argument from me that maintenance feeding an animal to keep it small is wrong but when a snake won't grow due to genetics it won't grow. Evolution is a wondrous thing (usually).

I still say one of the best looking retics is a high silver normal.

No problem with dwarf localities. Never said there was one.

Lots of people don't solely use them.

Even worse, if you want dwarf localities to be recognized as dwarf localities the lines should have been kept pure. Now they'll be banned because everyone needed dwarf morphs.

Just play with already small pretty snakes. Problem solved.

[millertime89]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

No problem with dwarf localities. Never said there was one.

Lots of people don't solely use them.

Even worse, if you want dwarf localities to be recognized as dwarf localities the lines should have been kept pure. Now they'll be banned because everyone needed dwarf morphs.

Just play with already small pretty snakes. Problem solved.

Politicians don't give a damn about subspecies or localities. They rarely use the most up-to-date science even when its presented to them in peer reviewed publications.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by millertime89

Politicians don't give a damn about subspecies or localities. They rarely use the most up-to-date science even when its presented to them in peer reviewed publications.

That's your excuse? If they don't care why should we? That's the argument for doing it? You giant keepers get crazier by the day.

Let's not give them any more reason to.

StudenttoReptile made a very solid post about similar to this topic in another thread.

I'll just link it here....

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/850798-post69.html

[millertime89]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

That's your excuse? If they don't care why should we? That's the argument for doing it? You giant keepers get crazier by the day.

Let's not give them any more reason to.

StudenttoReptile made a very solid post about similar to this topic in another thread.

I'll just link it here....

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/850798-post69.html

Don't go putting words in my mouth. I know you're not stupid enough to think people don't keep pure lines. Plenty of people, myself included, have pure dwarf and SD animals and they (and myself once my animals are old enough) make sure to continue to produce pure locality/subspecies animals. I'm trying to locate importers to bring in other pure SD/dwarf localities as well.

I'm reading the link, I'll get back to on that. I'm at work now so I don't have to work the holiday so my time is a little broken up to read longer posts.

[Sherman]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

No problem with dwarf localities. Never said there was one.

Lots of people don't solely use them.

Even worse, if you want dwarf localities to be recognized as dwarf localities the lines should have been kept pure. Now they'll be banned because everyone needed dwarf morphs.

Just play with already small pretty snakes. Problem solved.

Why should we solely use them? I use dwarf stuff, and mainland stuff. I enjoy both. I keep both responsibly.

Unless they are classified as a completely different species (which won't happen, and if you think it will- go study some taxonomy and take a seat).

Just play with already small pretty snakes? Like what? Ball pythons and corn snakes? No thanks they bore me and frankly don't have the personality of a retic.

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

That's your excuse? If they don't care why should we? That's the argument for doing it? You giant keepers get crazier by the day.

Let's not give them any more reason to.

StudenttoReptile made a very solid post about similar to this topic in another thread.

We are crazy, but real keepers of giants, real dedicated keepers are not the problem, idiots are. Guess what- idiots will find a way to get hurt regardless. Whether it's owning a big snake, hots, a car too fast, or doing some other dumb crap, a few keepers being huge idiots should not punish everyone. I enjoy and love my big snakes.

I guess by your logic we should ban cars and liquor, because someone might be dumb enough to drink and drive and hurt someone, so lets get rid of them all JUST TO BE SAFE.

Please kid, take a seat.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Sherman

Why should we solely use them? I use dwarf stuff, and mainland stuff. I enjoy both. I keep both responsibly.

Unless they are classified as a completely different species (which won't happen, and if you think it will- go study some taxonomy and take a seat).

No reason to tell me to take a seat. I have done my readings and you clearly missed my point. Re-read it and try again.

Just play with already small pretty snakes? Like what? Ball pythons and corn snakes? No thanks they bore me and frankly don't have the personality of a retic.

Lots of other species that get larger and are pretty too. Suck it up and deal with it. I like wolves because of their personality but that isn't a reason for me to have one over a dog.

You've missed my point here as well because you've never read all my posts. I'm talking about the illegal keeping of the species. If it's legal where you are, it's less of a problem for me. I still prefer they were just out of the hobby.

We are crazy, but real keepers of giants, real dedicated keepers are not the problem, idiots are. Guess what- idiots will find a way to get hurt regardless. Whether it's owning a big snake, hots, a car too fast, or doing some other dumb crap, a few keepers being huge idiots should not punish everyone. I enjoy and love my big snakes.

I guess by your logic we should ban cars and liquor, because someone might be dumb enough to drink and drive and hurt someone, so lets get rid of them all JUST TO BE SAFE.

Please kid, take a seat.

That isn't my logic at all. You obviously can't tell the difference between something that can act upon it's own thoughts (live animals) versus something that is more or less a tool (that's a severe understatement but it makes my point)

Problem I have is that the few people who don't keep them properly are now placing the entire hobby in jeopardy. I for one just believe that if it's the entire hobby or the giants, the giants can be gone. We won't win this political war without breaking a few eggs. Sucks that your hobby is seen as dangerous.

For the record I do love and respect giants. I've owned them and worked with them. I just stick to my local by-laws because I'm not going to the cause for everyone to lose their hobby because I'm not selfish.