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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895
This whole thing is being based on emotion and exaggeration. There're many things that have been said by both sides that just need to stop.
Now since you are taking up the cause let us look at what she has insinuated with out one shred of evidence. She calls him a thief for accepting a "surrender fee" because he doesn't take them to a vet when the site says it will go toward veterinary care. Without getting into that all it would actually make him a liar at the most.
She claims that he is a "backyard breeder pet shop" without any proof that he breeds or sells the offspring. As a matter of fact there is no proof this guy even sells any of the animals. So far it looks Luke he just keeps them ( which is his constitutional right).
She also comes along and shares a "true" story about him keep a guys monitor. She questions if he has it hiding in his house 10(?) Years later.... seriously? Don't most savs ( which I believe this one was supposed to be) die in the first couple of years? Yet he has managed to keep it alive for ten even though his husbandry for everything else is pretty rough.
Now this one is my favorite. She insinuates that Dave goes into people's back yards and "rescues" their tortoises! She basically says this guy is wandering neighborhoods and stealing animals!
Every last one of them is an unbiased personal attack. I have not said anything since I first said how I feel but I think this is getting ridiculous. Sure the guy doesn't take proper care of his animals. Honestly I don't think he should be running a rescue if he can't provide proper care. Do I personally care if he is shut down or not? Nope. I may think it's sad but I just don't feel like it is the end of the world.
Personally I think you all should stop your hearts from bleeding so some blood makes it back to your brains. That way maybe you could look objectively at some of nonsense being spouted and this could be handled properly.
Oh, Josh? That response style isn't flattering to you or your intelligence. Leave the foolishness to the regular ***hats. I think you are better than that.
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Youre right, I should leave the sarcastic comments out of it, my apologies. I tried the rational and it didnt seem to work, so I figured perhaps a different route might have the effect I was looking for. Its not an excuse though, and Ill not do so again.
You're vehement comments seem to amount to the minutiae between someone being a liar or a thief, the difference between an accidental breeder or one who actively breeds and sells, and a story that was told about a possible stolen monitor from an independent source. I'll ask again, what difference does any of that make to the fact that this rescue has been torturing animals slowly and still continues to see nothing wrong with what it is doing? You were right in saying that the comment about the age of the kid on the video isnt relevant, but how are your comments any more relevant? Does it make one bit of difference to those animals if the owner is a liar rather than a thief? Will the animals conditions be improved if you show everyone that none of the eggs that were laid are viable? No, it doesnt and no, it wont. So again I will ask you, why do you so strongly feel the need to detract from the point of the thread, which is to address the issue of the treatment of these animals?
Your suggestion that
my position is the one based on merely a 'bleeding heart" and that I am the one who is letting his emotions get in the way of rational thought is strange when looking at your argument. I'm of the opinion that these animals would have had it better if they were just euthanized by their original owners. I dont care about this guy one way or the other, except for the fact that he accepts animals as a rescue and has no business doing so. Thats my head talking not my heart. However, you do seem to have let your emotional need to prove Erica wrong get in the way of your intelligent response to a dire situation for these animals. By your own admission you state that this guy's care is substandard. You routinely attack people on this site for what you consider substandard care. Why, all of a sudden, are you defending someone who
by his own admission is both providing substandard care, and obstinate in his refusal to see the truth of the matter or change it? If you knew nothing about reptile care then perhaps I wouldnt question the intellectual nature of your response, but you are obviously looking
past your knowledge in your emotional need to prove Erica wrong and yourself right. So who is the one here whose emotions are clouding their intellect, Kevin?
The problem I do have with your post is the suggestion that these are his personal animals to torture as he sees fit. He lists himself as a rescue. He takes money from people who surrender their animals there as a rescue. He seeks out and accepts sponsorship from other businesses as a rescue. He is not just some guy who bought his animals and doesnt have any further responsibility beyond himself. If that was the case, if he took down the rescue part of his operation, then by all means its unfortunate, but none of my, or anyone else's, business really. But that isnt the case, and since he still doesnt think he is doing anything wrong, or in any way needs to change anything he is doing (as evidenced in that latest video) then this still needs our attention.
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