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01-03-05, 09:15 AM
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Graziani Jungle Pastels
I often see people mentioning that they own Graziani line jungle pastels. What other types of pastels are there? I don't mean traits like lemon, cinnamon, etc. but rather, different blood lines. I am just curious because I have only seen Graziani mentioned.
Adam
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01-03-05, 10:19 AM
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NERD is the other main "line" that I'm aware of -- there might be more, I'm sure that someone will enlighten us if there is 
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01-03-05, 03:02 PM
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There are a LOT of other lines out there, but Lemon, Bell, and TSK are the more notable ones... I'm not sure if TSK's line is distinct or whether it's the same as the regular NERD line.
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01-03-05, 04:04 PM
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The SK line are Graziani 's as well. There's also the Gnaidowski(sp?) line, Ruppel's stonewashed line, Bell's line, Nerd's line...
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01-03-05, 04:31 PM
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If there were only Graziani's I wouldn't complain.............
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01-03-05, 07:03 PM
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Whats there to complain about?
C.
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01-03-05, 07:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by CHRISANDBOIDS14
Whats there to complain about?
C.
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Exactly!!
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01-03-05, 07:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by CHRISANDBOIDS14
Whats there to complain about?
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Lack of genetic variety...
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01-03-05, 09:13 PM
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what happens if you breed a pastel from one line with a different???
"Ya know what I'm sayin?"
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01-03-05, 10:42 PM
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I was wondering that as well. I know that there are different lines of orange ghost that are not compatible but that is a simple recessive trait. I am not sure what incompatible co-dom traits would result in.... no supers but some of each line? normals? Hopefully someone will answer.
Adam
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01-04-05, 02:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by BornboreD
If there were only Graziani's I wouldn't complain.............
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grazianis rule 
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01-04-05, 06:01 AM
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I know that there are different lines of orange ghost that are not compatible but that is a simple recessive trait.
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I've been looking for well-documented cases of incompatible ghosts. Do you have first hand details of one? Where both animals from proven genetic ghost lines?
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I am not sure what incompatible co-dom traits would result in.... no supers but some of each line? normals?
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The problem is that even if there where genetically different lines of pastels (i.e. different mutations of different genes) they might combine to make a super looking animal. The way to tell would be if the "super" could produce some normals when bred to a normal but would tend to produce only about 1/4 of them and not the expected 1/2 of a regular pastel X normal.
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01-04-05, 08:51 AM
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01-04-05, 10:44 AM
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The NERD quote on that site is:
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We work with three phases of this mutation: Green, Orange and Blonde; all are compatible within our group. We have learned the hard way that not all Ghosst are compatible, by breeding two Ghosts together and failing to hatch out Ghosts when we used a new bloodline.
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I'd love to know if the new bloodline even ended up proving to be genetic. I've heard two other accounts of incompatible "ghosts".
One was when Graziani was breeding a bunch of imported animals. Again I don't know if they all ended up proving genetic. I suspect that there may be some ghost like looking imported animals that aren't genetic that are the root of the belief that there is incompatibility in the ghost group. I've yet to hear of proven lines of what we now call ghosts not proving compatible.
The other case of incompatibility I’ve heard of was from the Barkers years ago. One of the animals was the one they originally coined the name "ghost" for and it sounds like it was something different looking than what we now call ghosts. That original ghost was described as having odd scales if I remember right. I'm not sure if that line is even still around.
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