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Old 05-12-04, 09:43 AM   #1
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Please Do Not Kill The Snake

Please Do Not Kill The Snake

I was recently called by a neighbor to identify a snake in the garage. This is nothing new for me or many other Reptile Keepers. I went and Identified it has a Harmless Scarlet King Snake. They both were very adamant that it was in fact the Dangerous Coral snake and told me in years past they would have just taken a shovel to it. How many times have we heard this story of killing a snake because it is perceived as dangerous or in “someone’s” house?

Which is Dangerous Which is Harmless?
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In the United States we actually have Three species of Coral Snake, The Eastern The Texas and The Arizona. Yet we have many species of Tricolor snakes that people mistake for the more dangerous tricolor Corals. It is important that anyone living in an area never touch any snake they do not recognize. Even if you recognize the snake as venomous and have worked with non-venomous snakes Leave it Alone it really is not worth the risk. Please leave the handling and manipulation of venomous snakes to people who have the proper tools and training to work with them.

If you find a snake in their house “ not yours , after all you built your home on their property” You can if its in the house pull the trash bag out of your trash can and lay the can down on its side and with a long handled broom gently brush it in the can. Place the lid back on it and call your local Animal Control Agency.

If you find a snake in Its Garage the same technique hold true or take that same offending shovel and a broom and sweep it on the shovel and let it go back in its nice Rose Garden. If you just have to have it removed from its property. Sweep it in the can and call the professionals.

I believe it to be our responsibility to educate persons whenever possible. So I proceeded to explain to my two neighbors the difference and a simple way to tell them apart. I do not believe in using the old Rhyme of red touches yellow kill a fellow. As that if you run across an aberrant specimen it may not hold true. What I do like to tell people is to think of a stop sign Yellow means Caution, Red Means stop so just like a stop sign if red and yellow touch you better not.

So were you right about which is a coral and which is a Scarlet King

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Top is The dangerous Coral Snake. Bottom is the Harmless Scarlet King.
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Old 05-12-04, 10:15 AM   #2
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Easy way to remember for me instead of using the many riddles around.

The red cross signifies medical aid... so I say to myself if the white and red touch (like on the red cross logo) then there's danger

We can also change the white for yellow..

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this is what i use to remember "red on black your ok jack" "red on yellow your a dead fellow"
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Rhymes relating to the color touching are just plain stupid. Period. End of debate they do NOT work.

The following photos are not mine... are the animals in them harmless or dangerous? Coral snakes or not?

Edit: removed first photo, annoyingly large.

How about this one?



If you do not know *exactly* what any given snake is, then leave it alone. Do not mumble some idiotic rhyme and then get yourself bit.
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Old 05-12-04, 10:05 PM   #5
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Seamus good post.
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Thank you Sir.

I may have been a bit blunt, but I just got done having this exact argument with someone in person.
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Old 05-12-04, 11:57 PM   #7
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Aquatic corals, suck. Pigmy black heads are way better.

It amazes me on how everyone here still think watersnakes are cottonmouths..
Easterns and Texan are ssp.. Wouldnt that mean we only have 2 species of coral here?
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Aquatic corals whatnow?!

Remember... I know where you live.

I really dislike all the inaccuracies that abound in the states about venomous versus non-venomous species. The color rhymes are horrible and wrong, pupil shape is NOT a universal indicator of toxicity and there are plenty of snakes with pointed heads which are harmless... and plenty with rounded heads which are not.

It's bad enough when someone who's in a position where ignorance is only expected starts spouting that kind of stuff but to see herpers saying it... Makes me... not happy.
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"Easterns and Texan are ssp.. Wouldnt that mean we only have 2 species of coral here?"

There are 3 distinct species of coral snake that are native to the U.S.:

Micrurus fulvius
Micrurus tener
Micruroides euryxanthus
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Old 05-13-04, 01:51 AM   #10
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I seem to be stuck in the past.. When did Micrurus fulvius tener become Micrurus tener?
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From that pic red on black and your dead jack...... Another reason rhymes do not work. then again that is a south american coral not native to north america. still best to leave it alone if you dont know and if you do know and do not have experiance leave it alone.
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That was agood post mustang and I really hate to shoot you down on this but, it seems to me that the people who would just kill a snake they don t want around probably wouldn t be viewing this site.
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Ture but they have friends they can reffer to sites for help and advice. always look for ways to help wildlife
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Old 06-06-04, 11:22 PM   #14
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red on black is a friend of jack, red on yellow could kill a fellow... easy to remember, and it works.
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Old 06-07-04, 02:30 AM   #15
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Er... Alright Xfade7, the animal I posted a picture of, is it harmless or venomous?
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