Death by our Savior

KORBIN5895 · 09-20-13, 02:06 PM

This is prompted by a post I saw on Facebook today that was posted by a long time member on here.

They were talking about why the royal market is all over the place price wise. It is also something I have been thinking a lot about lately.

So many people proclaim that this recent and rapid influx into our hobby is a great thing. All these new people will buy from the breeders, they will educate the masses and they will also bolster our numbers and stop these ridiculous bans.

I am glad we have optimists left in this world but it's time to start listening to us realists.

A lot of these new people are entering the hobby for all of the wrong reasons. I can't begin to count the people that I have seen buy their first snake and with in weeks are purchasing there breeding groups. It is these types of people that crash the market. All they see ate dollar signs. They purchase whatever they can and throw them together thinking. " These will hatch and I'll have all of this e tea money......." What they fail to realize is that these babies don't all sell right away, let alone all survive. What tends to happen if they get a successful clutch they have a hard time selling the babies well below market price which then drops the market price.

Here is an example I had first hand experience with. I sold a guy a pair of bumble bees het hypo. His goal was to produce hypo super pastel spiders ( I haven't two sweet clues what the name will be) . He plans on selling these for $600-$800 "to move them fast"

The second problem I am seeing is that maybe 1 of 20 new keepers have any desire to actually listen and learn. Way to many new keepers are of the mindset that they have a snake and have all the answers because they read a car sheet once. I am sorry to burst you bubble but I do not want the ignorant educating the ignorant. There is a veery wise saying that says "When the blind lead the blind they all fall in the ditch." I can take you to a forum that is the epitome of this statement. I saw new members join with sick and dying animals and all of the members congratulate then on their new pet and tell them they were doing an amazing thing the way they took care of it.

Finally we need to just look back at the petition USARK put out during the lacy act. They were looking for a certain amount of signatures and they fell miserably short. These knew people are coming to fight the cause like those of us that have been in this for 10-15 years. Why not? They have no blood, sweat or tears in this. They have a couple hundred buck wrapped up in this from their pet store purchase past week. What do they really care about the hobby?

Believe it or not I am not against new people. What I am really disappointed in are those of us that have been around yet are not mentoring like we should. The real disconnect is the "old boys" mentality. Yes, I understand the vast majority of fresh blood won't ever amount to much. Yes these ignorant fools are annoying as hell. Yes, I wish we could ban people for being stupid. BUT what about the good ones we let slip through because we have stopped caring ? What about the ones that want to legitimately learn? That is where we are dropping the ball.

Zoo Nanny · 09-20-13, 02:17 PM

Korbin for one so young you are wise beyond your years. Very well said.

KORBIN5895 · 09-20-13, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoo Nanny

Korbin for one so young you are wise beyond your years. Very well said.

Ha! I'm one of the biggest offenders!

Kid Boa · 09-20-13, 02:35 PM

Its hard to make a comment on this topic other then to say you are 100% correct Korbin.

I remember the day when I common Boa sold for around $200.00, now I see amateur breeders selling them for $30.00-$50.00 on Kijiji.

I REALLY wish people would selling their product at the going rate instead of just dumping them on the market. . . .

wrecker45 · 09-20-13, 02:38 PM

Wow we need a lot more people like Korbin

**Aaron_S** · 09-20-13, 02:38 PM

So essentially the whole thing about mentoring and getting new people into the hobby is of the mentality to "throw poop at the wall and see what sticks".

I think it's the way to go. Recruit en masse and help educate those that wish to learn. Goes back to why I'm okay with BHB and their videos.

**Aaron_S** · 09-20-13, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kid Boa

Its hard to make a comment on this topic other then to say you are 100% correct Korbin.

I remember the day when I common Boa sold for around $200.00, now I see amateur breeders selling them for $30.00-$50.00 on Kijiji.

I REALLY wish people would selling their product at the going rate instead of just dumping them on the market. . . .

Things change though dude.

I remember when I used to get pictus geckos for $15 a piece (now breeders sell them for like $50 each!)

They go up and down as the market indicates. $200 was once an average price and then more people produced them. Making them more common, thus driving prices down.

Supply and demand.

Edit: Also, what you're essentially describing (everyone agreeing to a price and sticking to it) is price fixing. It's illegal.

KORBIN5895 · 09-20-13, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kid Boa

Its hard to make a comment on this topic other then to say you are 100% correct Korbin.

I remember the day when I common Boa sold for around $200.00, now I see amateur breeders selling them for $30.00-$50.00 on Kijiji.

I REALLY wish people would selling their product at the going rate instead of just dumping them on the market. . . .

I missed out on a moonglow clutch this season because I removed my male too soon. Anyway the first moonglows I saw this season were selling for $700 either sex. When I was looking for a sunglow two seasons ago the moonglows were still selling for $2k and I was doing good to find a sunglow for $700.

KORBIN5895 · 09-20-13, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

So essentially the whole thing about mentoring and getting new people into the hobby is of the mentality to "throw poop at the wall and see what sticks".

I think it's the way to go. Recruit en masse and help educate those that wish to learn. Goes back to why I'm okay with BHB and their videos.

Actually I think mentoring would be a way better approach than some hokey web show filled with stupidity drawing them in. What I think would help us the most would be if we let passion bring them in.

Just imagine this, instead of 100 new people every week that we had to sift and sort what if we only had five that wanted to learn? Sigh, now that would be Nirvana!

**Aaron_S** · 09-20-13, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Actually I think mentoring would be a way better approach than some hokey web show filled with stupidity drawing them in. What I think would help us the most would be if we let passion bring them in.

Just imagine this, instead of 100 new people every week that we had to sift and sort what if we only had five that wanted to learn? Sigh, now that would be Nirvana!

Depends on what you're hoping to achieve. If you want the industry to continue to run then the 100 need to be brought in. Otherwise a lot of people will all of a sudden complain about not being able to find anything and wish there were more breeders...

Also, I watched a couple episodes today. Honestly, no bites or anything and just pure passion from Brian.

MDT · 09-20-13, 02:55 PM

Dude...very well stated.

Zoo Nanny · 09-20-13, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Ha! I'm one of the biggest offenders!

Maybe so but at least you recognize it and are willing to try to mentor others. I think those that are truely passionate will stay regardless of what is said. There are a quite a few folks here with an amazing amount of knowledge in their particular species preference. I enjoy reading their threads even though I don't participate, I read and learn. There is a ton of education available here, more than other sites I have seen, you just have to want to learn.

Terranaut · 09-20-13, 03:20 PM

I talked to Rob Conrad about this at the CRBE. His concern was for all of the unwanted snakes that do not sell. What happens to them? I was in awe at the sheer volume of royals at the expo. Crazy.

Mikoh4792 · 09-20-13, 03:23 PM

Deleted, stupid question.

KORBIN5895 · 09-20-13, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Terranaut

I talked to Rob Conrad about this at the CRBE. His concern was for all of the unwanted snakes that do not sell. What happens to them? I was in awe at the sheer volume of royals at the expo. Crazy.

Well if I ever get my bhp I will gladly take donations.. ..

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Deleted, stupid question.

No such thing