Oh my god - Page 10

jasonw · 02-26-13, 06:33 PM

TucsonRES · 02-26-13, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

You need to keep attempting. I haven't heard of anyone attempting yet.

I have tried to talk to PACC and even have a friend that works there and they are not returning phone calls and they are sending out generic form emails. I believe that someone else has tried to talk to PACC and educate them. Unfortunately, because of the attention this is situation has gathered they are probably going into CYA mode.

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Also, the guy seems to be willing to talk about his rescue.

I have called a couple of times and left messages that have not been returned as well as emails. I know for a fact that 2 other people have attempted to contact him with no response either.
He did talk to Daily Reptile News and listen to it and judge for yourself how talkative and upfront he is. Daily Reptile News

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Has anyone asked him if he's willing to take on more volunteers to help build better enclosures? Nobody wants to help clean but maybe building the proper enclosures some people will volunteer? Someone can ask local businesses for donations of materials or construction sites for extra wood etc.

Personally, if he had returned calls or emails or seemed to be reasonable with his fees and asked for help, I'd probably take time away from the animals I take in and would be willing to help get things straight. The problem is his attitude and unwillingness to change.
He has no problems taking on more volunteers, that's less work that he has to do. His whole thing right now seems to be you do it, you give it...
Here's what David from D&M said on Fauna today verbatim and all in caps:
"IF YOU PEOPLE WHAT TO HELP WITH LIGHT BULBS, THAT YOU THINK I NEED, DONATE THEM TO US, ALSO IF YOU THINK THE REPTILES NEED TO BE SEEN MORE THEN WHEN THEY ARE CHECKED BY A VET WHEN I GET THEM, DONATE TO ORANGE ANIMAL HOSPITAL UNDER D & M'S REPTILE RESCUE.

Graven Idol · 02-26-13, 07:45 PM

Hi, there, I saw this on Tumblr, I'm from Denver, and I even went out of my way to call this rescue. Mind you, I didn't go in guns a'blazing but I did ask how their animals are being treated. I believe I was on the phone with Melanie Shroyer, who assured me these pictures are not of their animals. Now, I am no way defending her, but I feel like I should post this because that's what she told me. Basically, her gist was they don't know the original poster and had confirmed they have received calls and emails about these pictures, and people come and go to check out their animals.

I told her I've been surrounded by exotic animals; I have experience with iguanas, turtles, bearded dragons, and even parrots. I told her it's not that hard to check in on them and she agreed. She said she didn't know what to do, continue to deny that these were her animals and I asked her "well, if that's the case, don't you think you folks ought to put up a disclaimer?" since they're being "harassed", as it were. It pisses me off because we have our own reptile rescues, especially with iguanas, because people fail to read up on care of them.

So it does sound like they have gotten attention over this, but as far as I'm concerned, "look lady, either record a video or make a statement". I don't know if I can believe that since more attention goes to mammals in terrible conditions versus birds and reptiles. Makes me mad, because these were animals I GREW UP WITH and I LOVE them.

dinosaurdammit · 02-26-13, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Graven Idol

Hi, there, I saw this on Tumblr, I'm from Denver, and I even went out of my way to call this rescue. Mind you, I didn't go in guns a'blazing but I did ask how their animals are being treated. I believe I was on the phone with Melanie Shroyer, who assured me these pictures are not of their animals. Now, I am no way defending her, but I feel like I should post this because that's what she told me. Basically, her gist was they don't know the original poster and had confirmed they have received calls and emails about these pictures, and people come and go to check out their animals.

I told her I've been surrounded by exotic animals; I have experience with iguanas, turtles, bearded dragons, and even parrots. I told her it's not that hard to check in on them and she agreed. She said she didn't know what to do, continue to deny that these were her animals and I asked her "well, if that's the case, don't you think you folks ought to put up a disclaimer?" since they're being "harassed", as it were. It pisses me off because we have our own reptile rescues, especially with iguanas, because people fail to read up on care of them.

So it does sound like they have gotten attention over this, but as far as I'm concerned, "look lady, either record a video or make a statement". I don't know if I can believe that since more attention goes to mammals in terrible conditions versus birds and reptiles. Makes me mad, because these were animals I GREW UP WITH and I LOVE them.

so they dont know me, even though I was there? Is that what I am trying to understand here?

infernalis · 02-26-13, 09:21 PM

Getting some weird replies on this one..

sws · 02-26-13, 09:24 PM

always happens when something like this goes down no?

dinosaurdammit · 02-26-13, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sws

always happens when something like this goes down no?

honestly idk, i never had experience with "rescues" that wernt cat and dog related. I am unsure of how the community normally reacts to this type of thing.

sws · 02-26-13, 09:36 PM

i was meaning humans in general in situations like these.

dinosaurdammit · 02-26-13, 09:56 PM

so my cousin posted the situation to tumbler and this has happened:

"tumbleruser asked: I should clarify: they said they weren't THEIR animals from the pictures posted on that forum and deny that girl ever worked for them.

OH okay. Still strange.

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tumbleruser asked: I'm on the phone with D & M's Reptile Rescue And Rehabilitation, and they're saying that those are not animals and said the previous volunteer has not worked there. I kept it civil and they said there was nothing they can do about it, but I told them disclaimers exist. They have been getting calls and emails about what is going on about their shelter. I even told them "guys, it's not that hard to check in on reptiles". Make of it what you will :/

…they said that reptiles are not actually animals? That is really scary."

so d&m is saying that the pictures and video are not their animals. Cool. Just so we are clear its these people and not another D&M if it exist

D&M's Reptile Rescue & Rehabilitation

Graven Idol · 02-26-13, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

so my cousin posted the situation to tumbler and this has happened:

"tumbleruser asked: I should clarify: they said they weren't THEIR animals from the pictures posted on that forum and deny that girl ever worked for them.

OH okay. Still strange.

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tumbleruser asked: I'm on the phone with D & M's Reptile Rescue And Rehabilitation, and they're saying that those are not animals and said the previous volunteer has not worked there. I kept it civil and they said there was nothing they can do about it, but I told them disclaimers exist. They have been getting calls and emails about what is going on about their shelter. I even told them "guys, it's not that hard to check in on reptiles". Make of it what you will :/

…they said that reptiles are not actually animals? That is really scary."

so d&m is saying that the pictures and video are not their animals. Cool. Just so we are clear its these people and not another D&M if it exist

Firstly, I apologize for my reply if it created any confusion. Long story short, they have said repeatedly on the phone to me that these are not their animals and for the sake of civility I said "if I were in your shoes, I would put a disclaimer". But yes, they claim that they do not know you, that they have no idea why anyone would accuse them of this "horrible" thing and completely feigned innocence. It is really circulating on Tumblr and I posted it to my Facebook earlier. But yeah, man, she was really weird on the phone and I honestly don't believe her.

BTW, I'm ofborrowedlight on Tumblr.

dinosaurdammit · 02-26-13, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Graven Idol

Firstly, I apologize for my reply if it created any confusion. Long story short, they have said repeatedly on the phone to me that these are not their animals and for the sake of civility I said "if I were in your shoes, I would put a disclaimer". But yes, they claim that they do not know you, that they have no idea why anyone would accuse them of this "horrible" thing and completely feigned innocence. It is really circulating on Tumblr and I posted it to my Facebook earlier. But yeah, man, she was really weird on the phone and I honestly don't believe her.

BTW, I'm ofborrowedlight on Tumblr.

I used tumbleruser just in case you didn't wany your username shown. Thank you for clarifying. Did you speak to both david and his wife? And did they deny the woman who took the video too?

Graven Idol · 02-26-13, 11:08 PM

I'm cool with either with my Tumblr name, so no worries!

I have not spoken to David, I spoke to a woman, but since I did not bring up the videos, and just the pictures, that wasn't addressed accept she assured me many people were coming in and seeing for themselves that the animals were well cared for.

KORBIN5895 · 02-26-13, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

Its not a rescue any more. Its a badly run back yard breeder type pet shop with stupid high fees. He wants people to do the work for him so he can get paid. Its as simple as that. He has other people do the work and he cashes in when ever something finally makes it out of there.

Can you please post actual proof that they are breeding these animals?

dinosaurdammit · 02-26-13, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Can you please post actual proof that they are breeding these animals?

In the video he says he doesn't breed them yet has a male alone with a harem of females who lay their eggs in the food or dirt. This is breeding. None of the offspring are viable but if given 1/4 the chance they would be. He instead feeds eggs to the tegu and on the video says monitors

jarich · 02-26-13, 11:21 PM

In the video the owner mentions that various animals have laid eggs. I highly doubt that any in his care would be healthy enough to actually breed after he got his hands on them, but I suppose with the warm Arizona summers there is always a chance some of them did.