What snake is this?

Philmul · 01-09-13, 06:12 PM

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Just wondered what snake it is? It's stunning

**Aaron_S** · 01-09-13, 06:21 PM

Looks to be a mangrove snake.

rear-fanged. Can get fair sized and in general has a nasty attitude, especially at night.

poison123 · 01-09-13, 06:24 PM

Yep mangrove snake. I know somebody who was bit by one he got lots of swelling.

Philmul · 01-09-13, 06:39 PM

Are they venomous?

StudentoReptile · 01-09-13, 06:44 PM

yes....little bit more than "warm" but not quite as "hot" as a cobra or rattlesnake.

Philmul · 01-09-13, 07:01 PM

Thought so. They had one in the zoo near me. Apparently they doing test to try and cure a life threatening disease as it clots the blood.

dinosaurdammit · 01-09-13, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Looks to be a mangrove snake.

rear-fanged. Can get fair sized and in general has a nasty attitude, especially at night.

Speaking of rear fanged snakes how would you rate a false water cobra? I have been debating if i want to get one or not. I hear different stories and care sheets. Some say treat it like any hot and do not handle and others say treat it like a hog nose

**Aaron_S** · 01-09-13, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

Speaking of rear fanged snakes how would you rate a false water cobra? I have been debating if i want to get one or not. I hear different stories and care sheets. Some say treat it like any hot and do not handle and others say treat it like a hog nose

Honestly?

I'd handle ANY rear fang like a hot. There is photographic evidence on this site of a 'simple' hognose bite. It may not have been life threatening but it's still a lot of discomfort I'd personally prefer to avoid.

Snake hooks all the way.

Corey209 · 01-09-13, 08:27 PM

I was interested in a mangrove when I read online that rear fanged snakes weren't that bad until I found real information. Mangroves have mild venom that can cause severe necrosis but their delivery system is poor. Not sure if Viperkeeper is someone people look at as an expert but when I asked him about it he said they should be treated as hots. They're also known to have nasty attitudes and mainly only for show if you keep it as a "pet".

@dinosaur, they get pretty damn big and from what I can find online the bite causes severe swelling. Now imagine if you're allergic to the venom, that could be fatal.

dinosaurdammit · 01-09-13, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Corey209

I was interested in a mangrove when I read online that rear fanged snakes weren't that bad until I found real information. Mangroves have mild venom that can cause severe necrosis but their delivery system is poor. Not sure if Viperkeeper is someone people look at as an expert but when I asked him about it he said they should be treated as hots. They're also known to have nasty attitudes and mainly only for show if you keep it as a "pet".

@dinosaur, they get pretty damn big and from what I can find online the bite causes severe swelling. Now imagine if you're allergic to the venom, that could be fatal.

i dont want anything that can cause an allergic reaction. I am already allergic to too much as is. I will just admire from afar I guess. I love how they look but I dont feel i am responsible or coordinated enough to have any type of hot much less I have a toddler and I dont want to risk it. Thanks corey and arron

Corey209 · 01-09-13, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

i dont want anything that can cause an allergic reaction. I am already allergic to too much as is. I will just admire from afar I guess. I love how they look but I dont feel i am responsible or coordinated enough to have any type of hot much less I have a toddler and I dont want to risk it. Thanks corey and arron

Careful with some old world rat snakes as well, recent studies have shown them to have small amounts of venom. My brother had a small allergic reaction to his red tail green rat and his hand was swollen.

poison123 · 01-09-13, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Corey209

Careful with some old world rat snakes as well, recent studies have shown them to have small amounts of venom. My brother had a small allergic reaction to his red tail green rat and his hand was swollen.

from what i have heard there are several colubrids that carry venom but have no way of releasing it.

**Aaron_S** · 01-09-13, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Corey209

I was interested in a mangrove when I read online that rear fanged snakes weren't that bad until I found real information. Mangroves have mild venom that can cause severe necrosis but their delivery system is poor. Not sure if Viperkeeper is someone people look at as an expert but when I asked him about it he said they should be treated as hots. They're also known to have nasty attitudes and mainly only for show if you keep it as a "pet".

@dinosaur, they get pretty damn big and from what I can find online the bite causes severe swelling. Now imagine if you're allergic to the venom, that could be fatal.

Thanks for being my echo

StudentoReptile · 01-10-13, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

i dont want anything that can cause an allergic reaction. I am already allergic to too much as is. I will just admire from afar I guess. I love how they look but I dont feel i am responsible or coordinated enough to have any type of hot much less I have a toddler and I dont want to risk it. Thanks corey and arron

If you are careful and responsible, it is possible. I have a friend who is hypoallergenic. She couldn't take antivenin if she ever got bit...and she keeps nearly every species of hognose, including the Madagascar giants. She's one of the more responsible keepers I know.

It seems to me (and I could be wrong) that most severe reactions to hognose bites involve the keeper deliberately letting the snake bite/chew on them. IMHO, not smart. My logic would be to remove snake teeth from human flesh as quickly as possible.

I'm not trying to sway you too much; you know what your comfort level is and your health better than anyone else. Just don't like to see someone discouraged from keeping snakes perhaps unnecessarily.

Sophia'sSophia · 01-11-13, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

If you are careful and responsible, it is possible.

It seems to me (and I could be wrong) that most severe reactions to hognose bites involve the keeper deliberately letting the snake bite/chew on them. IMHO, not smart. My logic would be to remove snake teeth from human flesh as quickly as possible.

I'm not trying to sway you too much; you know what your comfort level is and your health better than anyone else. Just don't like to see someone discouraged from keeping snakes perhaps unnecessarily.

I agree with this ^ whole-heartedly. The individual should do copious amounts of research, and decide if -they themselves- can handle it.