Biozome?

[Corey209]

Originally Posted by beardeds4life

OMRI is the more reliable one. They actually test products and trace ingredients so anything with the OMRI seal of approval is guaranteed organic.

Apparently someone called OMRI about Jobe's and OMRI restricted them from being certified but it was "miscommunication" and they were trying to clear it up.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by beardeds4life

OMRI is the more reliable one. They actually test products and trace ingredients so anything with the OMRI seal of approval is guaranteed organic.

I was looking at stuff for the USDA, and I found this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/bu...beet.html?_r=0

Can't trust anyone. Hope they're better.

~Maggot

[beardeds4life]

Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

I was looking at stuff for the USDA, and I found this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/bu...beet.html?_r=0

Can't trust anyone. Hope they're better.

~Maggot

This has been going on for years. Most of the food you eat is genetically engineered and covered in things like roundup.

[jarich]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Maggot didn't give the evidence but others have. You can blame her for everything if you prefer since she's simply a scape goat.

The MSDS states NOT to breath it in over a prolonged period of time. What do you people think the animals will breath? Magical air from the air fairies?

Also, it's been noted that most things claimed to be organic are NOT necessarily organic. I am not stating that it is FOR SURE true with the product in question but it certainly does deem more research into those type of laws for "organic" soils and garden supplies.

So no reason to jump all over Maggot since she gave what was only her opinion and thoughts.

No, there was no evidence given. The MSDS states for humans not to breathe silica dust over time. ALL clay contains silica, every bit of it on the globe. So this evidence is not evidence after all when someone actually looks closer into it. Given this 'evidence' we shouldnt use any soil with clay in it ever, and animals all over the globe that live in burrows should really be in trouble.

The degree to what things are organic or not has little bearing on the discussion. Who cares? The ingredients are listed for this product and none of them are problematic. It might be one thing if the OP was using nothing but this as substrate, but as stated many times, they are just using a bit mixed with the soil. What difference does it make if the USDA lists it as organic? None.

The reason I commented on this to Maggot is because she seems to have no experience or research in these things that she commonly states 'definitively' are true to others, then jumps down their throats for it. I think she should stop trying to give advice about things she knows so little about, and especially stop stating that she is somehow able to distinguish truth, fact, or evidence, when she has no frame of reference with which to do so. As in this case, so should you, Aaron.

[Corey209]

Originally Posted by jarich

No, there was no evidence given. The MSDS states for humans not to breathe silica dust over time. ALL clay contains silica, every bit of it on the globe. So this evidence is not evidence after all when someone actually looks closer into it. Given this 'evidence' we shouldnt use any soil with clay in it ever, and animals all over the globe that live in burrows should really be in trouble.

The degree to what things are organic or not has little bearing on the discussion. Who cares? The ingredients are listed for this product and none of them are problematic. It might be one thing if the OP was using nothing but this as substrate, but as stated many times, they are just using a bit mixed with the soil. What difference does it make if the USDA lists it as organic? None.

The reason I commented on this to Maggot is because she seems to have no experience or research in these things that she commonly states 'definitively' are true to others, then jumps down their throats for it. I think she should stop trying to give advice about things she knows so little about, and especially stop stating that she is somehow able to distinguish truth, fact, or evidence, when she has no frame of reference with which to do so. As in this case, so should you, Aaron.

No matter what it's not actually organic and it can be avoided.

[Pirarucu]

Originally Posted by Corey209

No matter what it's not actually organic and it can be avoided.

Firstly, there is nothing saying it is not organic. Only that it is possible, due to limited restrictions.
Secondly, do you keep your reptiles in cages where they absolutely never come into contact with things that aren't organic? Didn't think so.
Thirdly, as Jarich pointed out, (Well said!) the MSDS tells us everything we need to know about it, and there are no dangers. Silica is everywhere, it's not a threat. Animals burrow in and even eat silica filled clay all the time.

[Corey209]

Originally Posted by Pirarucu

Firstly, there is nothing saying it is not organic. Only that it is possible, due to limited restrictions.
Secondly, do you keep your reptiles in cages where they absolutely never come into contact with things that aren't organic? Didn't think so.
Thirdly, as Jarich pointed out, (Well said!) the MSDS tells us everything we need to know about it, and there are no dangers. Silica is everywhere, it's not a threat. Animals burrow in and even eat silica filled clay all the time.

I already listed two materials jobes uses in his fertilizers that prove it's not organic. I don't keep my reptile sitting in fertilizer when there's heat and humidity which is COMPLETELY different from having a reptile around inorganic materials. Everyone has already explained this wouldn't be smart to do but I honestly don't give a rats *** if you do or not. I doubt they've tested how safe it is for wildlife inside a small enclosure that isn't well ventilated. But go ahead and prove to us whether your animals live or not because since the start you have already had your mind made up. This thread was worthless and should have never been made if you're not going to listen to anyone.

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

That's fine, but my point is that just because it's advertised as "organic," that doesn't mean it necessarily is what people think of when they hear "organic." Pick up some "organic" body wash at the store and check out the ingredients sometime. Not very pretty.

~Maggot

^^^^^
i agree just because something is organic or natural,does not make it safe

i also hate it when people say its ok for humans,so its ok for reptiles...

pine sap/oil don't hurt humans,but it kills Carpet Pythons stone dead

i would be carefull and do research on anything labled organic or natural

cheers shaun

[Pirarucu]

Originally Posted by Corey209

I already listed two materials jobes uses in his fertilizers that prove it's not organic. I don't keep my reptile sitting in fertilizer when there's heat and humidity which is COMPLETELY different from having a reptile around inorganic materials. Everyone has already explained this wouldn't be smart to do but I honestly don't give a rats *** if you do or not. I doubt they've tested how safe it is for wildlife inside a small enclosure that isn't well ventilated. But go ahead and prove to us whether your animals live or not because since the start you have already had your mind made up. This thread was worthless and should have never been made if you're not going to listen to anyone.

I would say the thread was worthless from the start because nobody actually read it the way it was supposed to be read. The meaning was "What are your experiences with this?" not "Is this safe?". It is an absolutely tiny amount of bone and feather meal, chicken feces, microscopic decomposers, and a naturally occurring mineral. I honestly see no way that such a tiny amount of stuff would hurt anything at all. I asked for personal experiences, not a bunch of personal opinions and guesswork.

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by Pirarucu

I would say the thread was worthless from the start because nobody actually read it the way it was supposed to be read. The meaning was "What are your experiences with this?" not "Is this safe?". It is an absolutely tiny amount of bone and feather meal, chicken feces, microscopic decomposers, and a naturally occurring mineral. I honestly see no way that such a tiny amount of stuff would hurt anything at all. I asked for personal experiences, not a bunch of personal opinions and guesswork.

from what i read on this thread,i and the people posting obviously have no personal experience with this product,but.....

they voiced their concern on how safe it would be for your reptile,they base their concern on the products ingrediants...

you have obviously dismissed their concerns when you say... " I honestly see no way that such a tiny amount of stuff would hurt anything at all. I asked for personal experiences, not a bunch of personal opinions and guesswork "

regards your statment " no way such a tiny amount of stuff would hurt anything ".....

one natural product comes to mind,pine oil,pine sap,pine resin...

a " tiny " amount of that will kill a python quickly

personally i would take on board peoples concerns,then go research EVERY listed ingrediant in the product,before i used it with my reptiles,because no one on here can vouch for it being safe

that said,it may well be safe...

but for your reptiles sake,i would err on the side of caution

cheers shaun

[EmbraceCalamity]

I did do a search for this stuff having been used with reptiles, and I found absolutely nothing. I doubt it's ever even been tried by anyone. And I don't think anyone claimed it would kill it or it would definitely be terrible; we're only pointing out that you really can't be sure and it's better to just air on the side of caution if you don't know. Also, I suggested talking to Frank, but I don't know if that advice has been taken either.

~Maggot

[Pirarucu]

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

from what i read on this thread,i and the people posting obviously have no personal experience with this product,but.....

they voiced their concern on how safe it would be for your reptile,they base their concern on the products ingrediants...

you have obviously dismissed their concerns when you say... " I honestly see no way that such a tiny amount of stuff would hurt anything at all. I asked for personal experiences, not a bunch of personal opinions and guesswork "

regards your statment " no way such a tiny amount of stuff would hurt anything ".....

one natural product comes to mind,pine oil,pine sap,pine resin...

a " tiny " amount of that will kill a python quickly

personally i would take on board peoples concerns,then go research EVERY listed ingrediant in the product,before i used it with my reptiles,because no one on here can vouch for it being safe

that said,it may well be safe...

but for your reptiles sake,i would err on the side of caution

cheers shaun

I have researched every ingredient, none of it is harmful. That's why I'm trying to figure out why everyone is so upset about it. Probably because I used the word "fertilizer"... That's like saying "particle substrate" on a Bearded Dragon forum...

[Corey209]

Originally Posted by Pirarucu

I have researched every ingredient, none of it is harmful. That's why I'm trying to figure out why everyone is so upset about it. Probably because I used the word "fertilizer"... That's like saying "particle substrate" on a Bearded Dragon forum...

It is technically a fertilizer and it's not certified with ANYONE to be considered organic. I already posted two ingredients that are not organic and Jobe's has had some bad reviews. Why not just find something that's actually certified organic and not even risk your animals health at all?

[Pirarucu]

Originally Posted by Corey209

It is technically a fertilizer and it's not certified with ANYONE to be considered organic. I already posted two ingredients that are not organic and Jobe's has had some bad reviews. Why not just find something that's actually certified organic and not even risk your animals health at all?

Correction, it makes fertilizer. It is a bunch of natural decomposers. What were the ingredients?

[Pirarucu]

Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

Also, I suggested talking to Frank, but I don't know if that advice has been taken either.

I did not see that until now, I shot him a PM.