Biozome? - Page 2

Pirarucu · 12-25-12, 09:41 PM

I know, I was just pointing out for others how minimal of a concern that is.

beardeds4life · 12-26-12, 12:56 AM

Just because it doesnt smell like sewage sludge doesnt mean it is not their. That is the whole point of composting. I have no idea if it is in that particular product or not I am just saying.

You can do whatever the hell you want I am just saying that I would never put that in my animals enclosure. If you want to be my guest.

Corey209 · 12-26-12, 01:09 AM

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Just because it doesnt smell like sewage sludge doesnt mean it is not their. That is the whole point of composting. I have no idea if it is in that particular product or not I am just saying.

You can do whatever the hell you want I am just saying that I would never put that in my animals enclosure. If you want to be my guest.

It's better to have someone test this and see if his animals turn out unharmed or not just like with any other substance. If whatever he puts inside dies, that's sad but it's also educational.

EmbraceCalamity · 12-26-12, 01:19 AM

OP, if you want to use it, it's up to you. I doubt anyone's tried it yet. You might want to ask bronxzoofrank what he thinks, as I'm sure he's more experienced than anyone here and could probably give you the best answer.

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They advertise it online as 100% organic so I doubt it has anything man made unless they're false advertising.

Found some info on biozome > OBI - BioZome

There are few regulations on what they can call "organic." Just like they can call hens like these "free range":

~Maggot

Corey209 · 12-26-12, 01:42 AM

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OP, if you want to use it, it's up to you. I doubt anyone's tried it yet. You might want to ask bronxzoofrank what he thinks, as I'm sure he's more experienced than anyone here and could probably give you the best answer. There are few regulations on what they can call "organic." Just like they can call hens like these "free range":

~Maggot

Organic vs Chemical Fertilizers
^ Some info on Organic vs Chemical I found if anyone wants to read.

He could always use this fertilizer on his plants get them growing, then after that use regular untreated soil before putting any live animals inside. Not sure if this would make a difference though.

EmbraceCalamity · 12-26-12, 01:58 AM

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Organic vs Chemical Fertilizers
^ Some info on Organic vs Chemical I found if anyone wants to read.

He could always use this fertilizer on his plants get them growing, then after that use regular untreated soil before putting any live animals inside. Not sure if this would make a difference though.

That's fine, but my point is that just because it's advertised as "organic," that doesn't mean it necessarily is what people think of when they hear "organic." Pick up some "organic" body wash at the store and check out the ingredients sometime. Not very pretty.

~Maggot

Corey209 · 12-26-12, 02:03 AM

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That's fine, but my point is that just because it's advertised as "organic," that doesn't mean it necessarily is what people think of when they hear "organic." Pick up some "organic" body wash at the store and check out the ingredients sometime. Not very pretty.

~Maggot

Is there anywhere I can find a list of "organics" that aren't exactly safe? and yeah you're right organic doesn't always necessarily mean safe. I've heard that some woods are bad for the health of reptiles and they're organic but I don't know if that is a fact or not.

EmbraceCalamity · 12-26-12, 02:16 AM

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Is there anywhere I can find a list of "organics" that aren't exactly safe?

How would I know? And I don't know what you mean by a "list of organics." There just isn't much regulation on the whole thing, so people can basically do whatever the hell they want.

~Maggot

Zoo Nanny · 12-26-12, 03:39 AM

http://www.groworganic.com/media/pdfs/iso300-m.pdf
Once an MSDS sheet says that it can cause respiratory issues in humans from inhaling it during general use it is unsafe to use for animals in confined areas. There is minimal air flow within an enclosure which keeps the agent active for a longer period of time. I would suggest if you use it to mix your substrate out doors. Then wait a week or so before adding the new substrate into the tank. During this time period I would also mist and mix it frequently to ensure that there are no concentrated areas that the animal will come in contact with. Working at the zoo once we saw respiratory irritant on any chemical we avoided using it near areas that any animals would come in direct contact with.

EmbraceCalamity · 12-26-12, 04:10 AM

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And playsand is even worse in that regard, but we use it for reptiles all the time. The only time you ever have to worry about the dust from the sand is if you dump a big bag into the cage, then it goes everywhere. Once it settles though, it's no problem.

Thought it was supposed to be washed before use for that exact reason?

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http://www.groworganic.com/media/pdfs/iso300-m.pdf
Once an MSDS sheet says that it can cause respiratory issues in humans from inhaling it during general use it is unsafe to use for animals in confined areas. There is minimal air flow within an enclosure which keeps the agent active for a longer period of time. I would suggest if you use it to mix your substrate out doors. Then wait a week or so before adding the new substrate into the tank. During this time period I would also mist and mix it frequently to ensure that there are no concentrated areas that the animal will come in contact with. Working at the zoo once we saw respiratory irritant on any chemical we avoided using it near areas that any animals would come in direct contact with.

That's kind of like the shavings they use for horses. They're known to be very dusty, so some barns choose other alternatives. Barns with a lot of ventilation or run-in sheds aren't a concern because there's plenty of air flow. But, like a well-sealed barn, most enclosures don't allow enough ventilation to guarantee this wouldn't be an issue, so I personally wouldn't use it.

~Maggot

Pirarucu · 12-26-12, 08:50 AM

I should point out that this would not be added straight to the cage. It would be a very small amount mixed in with some normal organic dirt, per the instructions. It's a half cup per five gallons of soil. Not exactly a huge amount..

Biozome is simply what they're calling a fast-acting species of archaea, which is a natural decomposer.
The product I have is simply bone meal, feather meal, sulfate of potash, composted manure, bacteria, fungi, and archaea. In other words, it's all the microbe decomposers you would find in nature plus some stuff for those microbes to break down, and a natural mineral for plants.

beardeds4life · 12-26-12, 09:59 AM

You can say anything is organic. As long as you dont say fda approved (it is something like that I cant remember which one regulates that) you can say anything is organic.

I would also like to point out that it says derived from composted poultry manure. That means that all the chemicals/ unorganics that get fed to poultry will be in their.

You seem like you want to do it so like said go ahead. We will know wether it is safe or not. But I wouldnt risk my animals life.

Pirarucu · 12-26-12, 11:01 AM

If I do use it, it will be in a large, planted enclosure (~8'x3'x4') which will be populated with native reptiles and amphibians while the permanent occupants are acquired and grown a little to make sure they are all eating well. If the anoles, frogs, and skinks keep dropping dead, we'll have our answer.

Corey209 · 12-26-12, 11:09 AM

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If I do use it, it will be in a large, planted enclosure (~8'x3'x4') which will be populated with native reptiles and amphibians while the permanent occupants are acquired and grown a little to make sure they are all eating well. If the anoles, frogs, and skinks keep dropping dead, we'll have our answer.

Are you going to be putting all animals from a specific locality?

beardeds4life · 12-26-12, 12:42 PM

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If I do use it, it will be in a large, planted enclosure (~8'x3'x4') which will be populated with native reptiles and amphibians while the permanent occupants are acquired and grown a little to make sure they are all eating well. If the anoles, frogs, and skinks keep dropping dead, we'll have our answer.

If they are native reptiles why even use it? Use native soil which will be fine for everything AND have a lot of microorganisms in it. More so than the biozome. Then their will already be worms and springtails in their to but if you want more you can buy those. If you really want a fertilizer use compost. Another reason I would not recommend the biozome from a horticultural point of view is that it will make the plants grow much faster and larger so thus they would need a lot of pruning. That is why it is generally not recommended to fertilize plants in vivs. All the nutrients they will ever need and then some will come from all the microorganisms and the animals in their.