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EmbraceCalamity · 12-17-12, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CMRetics

Depends an extreme amount on where he has the water dish on the temp gradient, and where it is in proximity to the heat element. Moving the dish from 1 side to another can change the temperature more than you would think.

I don't think anyone's arguing that it won't have an effect, but even if the dish was on the cool side (which seems like a bad idea in and of itself), it still should only be room temperature, not "cold."

~Maggot

CMRetics · 12-17-12, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

I don't think anyone's arguing that it won't have an effect, but even if the dish was on the cool side (which seems like a bad idea in and of itself), it still should only be room temperature, not "cold."

~Maggot

Cold for us, and cold for a snake is a lot different. Especially if the animal is stressed/recovering, even a few degrees will make the water too cold.

EmbraceCalamity · 12-17-12, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CMRetics

Cold for us, and cold for a snake is a lot different. Especially if the animal is stressed/recovering, even a few degrees will make the water too cold.

I don't doubt that the water was cooler than it should have been (though would it have made a difference?), but I don't know of anyone who would call room temp water "cold." And it seems strange that someone who is aware enough of the water temperature needs of reptiles to call room temp water "cold" because it would be to a snake would make the mistake to put it somewhere in the enclosure that would allow it to be so, thus the explanation that the water simply was cold for some reason appears more likely than an altered vocabulary and contradictory actions that don't reflect this level of understanding.

~Maggot

Corey209 · 12-17-12, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

I don't doubt that the water was cooler than it should have been (though would it have made a difference?), but I don't know of anyone who would call room temp water "cold." And it seems strange that someone who is aware enough of the water temperature needs of reptiles to call room temp water "cold" because it would be to a snake would make the mistake to put it somewhere in the enclosure that would allow it to be so, thus the explanation that the water simply was cold for some reason appears more likely than an altered vocabulary and contradictory actions that don't reflect this level of understanding.

~Maggot

I keep the dish more on the cool side because I'm assuming it'd be good for the snake when he wants to cool off. The snake isn't going to soak unless he wants to cool off or is irritated anyways so I don't see why it would be a bad idea.

EmbraceCalamity · 12-17-12, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Corey209

I keep the dish more on the cool side because I'm assuming it'd be good for the snake when he wants to cool off. The snake isn't going to soak unless he wants to cool off or is irritated anyways so I don't see why it would be a bad idea.

I'm no snake expert, so someone else here can verify or negate this, but I don't believe snakes soak to cool off - literally or figuratively. I'm pretty sure they do it for moisture needs, hence them doing it when they're shedding. Snakes can thermoregulate just fine without a dish of water. And you said so yourself that it could have cooled his temps and made him sicker, so why you're confused about it being a bad idea is a mystery to me. To my mind, it would make much more sense to keep the water in the moderate temperatures so that the snake could use the water without it raising or lowering its body temperature too much, especially if you know it's sick.

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Originally Posted by iBaman

Ugh, don't let these guys get to you, CM. Though if i may say, Wayne...why doesn't Korbin get a warning for using the word Douche like I did? and he uses it constantly. I don't care if it's blurred out, it's the principal...

I'm pretty sure that's not what he said.

~Maggot

Corey209 · 12-17-12, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

I'm no snake expert, so someone else here can verify or negate this, but I don't believe snakes soak to cool off - literally or figuratively. I'm pretty sure they do it for moisture needs, hence them doing it when they're shedding. Snakes can thermoregulate just fine without a dish of water. And you said so yourself that it could have cooled his temps and made him sicker, so why you're confused about it being a bad idea is a mystery to me. To my mind, it would make much more sense to keep the water in the moderate temperatures so that the snake could use the water without it raising or lowering its body temperature too much, especially if you know it's sick.I'm pretty sure that's not what he said.

~Maggot

I don't think it's a bad idea for a healthy snake. I didn't think about the water dish being on the cool side at the time while my snake had RI which in that case was a bad idea but could have been avoided completely. If it is true they don't use the dishes to cool off then I will make sure to move it into the warmer side.

EmbraceCalamity · 12-17-12, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Corey209

I don't think it's a bad idea for a healthy snake. I didn't think about the water dish being on the cool side at the time while my snake had RI which in that case was a bad idea but could have been avoided completely. If it is true they don't use the dishes to cool off then I will make sure to move it into the warmer side.

My suggestion that it seems like a bad idea is based on the fact that snakes sometimes soak when they're in shed, and if you allow it to get "cold," then when they go to use it, it's going to lower their body temps, even if they don't need to be lowered.

Why exactly would a snake soak when it's "irritated"?

~Maggot