2 corns in one viv? - Page 3

KORBIN5895 · 12-14-12, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Aleks

not corns.. not balls... not gtps... not kingsnakes

You asked for a snake now man up and get over yourself.

Also having two snakes in one viv doesn't create disease. Housing two snakes together can be successfully done with the right species and proper setup.

Congratulations on being a breeder..... who are you again?

Aleks · 12-14-12, 07:38 AM

It not about manning up by the way.. And yes if one of your snake gets sick... other one will get it to... didn’t say both together will create sickness! So don’t transform my phrase please! And yes u got me on Garters and I’m happy for u… didn’t think it was so important that u got me on garters on a cornsnake thread!

And no i don’t come her a lot.. So no u don’t know me.. But yes I am on a lot of forums... and if u wants to see my page sure... Montreal tessera cornsnakes (u can check me out on facebook...)

https://www.facebook.com/MontrealTesseraCornSnakes
Only my new stuff is on that page but will give u a nice look!

page is new didint use the web before!

Aleks · 12-14-12, 07:46 AM

And for all the rest of people on this thread sorry that this thread got ... by this conversation... when i was only giving u my experience! And didn’t know that helping people would make this kid get all excited like this! What I said about 2 snakes together is a split thinking in the OB and some will react like he did on both side… u guys will see by yourself.. Some will get the idea whit out having to live it them self….

KORBIN5895 · 12-14-12, 07:58 AM

Nice deflection.

StudentoReptile · 12-14-12, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Now this is causing me some consternation. You usually know your stuff but this is the first time I have ever heard of a boa eating another snake, at least from a credible source. Do you have anything I can read on this?

Granted, I will admit I do not know the background behind this photos, but it does clearly show a BC eating a ball.

This one I do know the background. A friend of mine who breeds hognose had just bought a clutch of hatchling western hogs. The previous owner had some of the snakes 2 to a deli cup. Well, she just left them that on the way home. One decided to eat his sibling.

I have personally witnessed:
a juvenile cornsnake eat a sibling.
Bull snake eating a dumerils boa.
Spotted python eating a sibling.

I personally believe that any snake is capable of eating another snake its own size or smaller, with few exceptions.

**millertime89** · 12-14-12, 07:47 PM

Rattlesnakes den up together in the wild as well, at least some species
Temple vipers are also frequently found in close proximity to each other.

KORBIN5895 · 12-14-12, 08:22 PM

Thanks SOR. I now want to know mote about that. I have looked into it quite a bit and never found anything similar. I wonder if there was s rodent involved.....

Now don't be mean Kyle. He only asked for one......

Snakewitch · 12-15-12, 12:24 PM

I'm convinced - pictures and all Lankyrob cinched it for me back at the beginning but if there was any lingering doubt, it's gone now!

StudentoReptile · 12-15-12, 04:43 PM

Granted, I will say there have been some very nice displays in zoos and museums that featured multiple snakes in one enclosure. However, these were very spacious, naturalistic exhibits that featured multiple perches, basking areas, hiding areas, etc...much better and larger accommodations than the standard 55 or 75 gallon tank.

I'm not saying it's okay, or the risk isn't there, but many people try to use the "Well, I saw a zoo do it, and their animals are fine!" card. Just pointing out that in most of those cases, the exhibit in question is much more spacious than what the private keeper is willing or even able to provide.

**Aaron_S** · 12-16-12, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Now this is causing me some consternation. You usually know your stuff but this is the first time I have ever heard of a boa eating another snake, at least from a credible source. Do you have anything I can read on this?

I figured I'd add here. I don't know the background and don't remember where I got the photos. So suck it Kevin...

Anyway GRAPHIC PHOTO AHEAD....

Wyldrose · 12-16-12, 10:08 AM

Here's a collection of pics of snakes eating others
Can I Keep Multiple Snakes in One Enclosure? | squamishserpents.ca

beardeds4life · 12-16-12, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Aleks

Rules for all reptile... one animal one vivarium! It reduce stress... disease and other problems cause by stress (ex : stop eating).... in the wild there isn’t one reptile that will live whit another except when it’s time to breed! And even when breeding at home... u will not let both together for a long period

I agree that this is a blanket statement and not entirely true. It is true for some things but not all. I know these are not snakes but since you said "all reptiles" leopard geckos live in colonies with quite a few females and 1-2 males.

EmbraceCalamity · 12-16-12, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by beardeds4life

I agree that this is a blanket statement and not entirely true. It is true for some things but not all. I know these are not snakes but since you said "all reptiles" leopard geckos live in colonies with quite a few females and 1-2 males.

Leopard geckos don't naturally live in colonies. They're solitary animals. Some breeders house them together because it's more convenient, but even they agree that it should only be done by professionals because there are a multitude of problems that arise from it - bullying, fights, etc. Some of the leos can be hurt, not allowed food, or prevented from proper thermoregulation because they get pushed out of the best spots. Many people say no to ever housing leos together because they aren't communal reptiles. Also, no two males should ever, ever, ever be housed together, so I have no idea where you got the 1-2 males idea from.

Mourning geckos, however, are truly communal and do best in groups.

~Maggot

beardeds4life · 12-16-12, 09:47 PM

In the wild they do in fact live in large colonies in rock caves and stuff. And in captivity in the tiny cages that people use you can not ever have 2 males together. But in the wild the dominant males offspring will continue to live their and they get along fine with the dominant male even as adults. Take for example Patrick Huddleson's experiment. He setup a very large naturalistic vivarium that was basically a small ecosystem that very well replicated their natural environment. At times their was a number of adult males living together and commonly sharing hides etc. I will try to dig up some info on this. When you say now two males should ever be housed together I agree with you except for the rare exception that you have a naturalistic vivarium and the males are born and raised in the viv with their father. Most of the time what you said is totally true because almost no one keeps their animals in large enclosures.

beardeds4life · 12-16-12, 09:50 PM

[QUOTE]"In 1994, Philippe De Vosjolie experimented with developing naturalistic vivaria where lizards bred, eggs hatched and the offspring allowed to grow in the same enclosure. His initial were tiny geckos of the genus Tropiocolotes. He initially called this approach to enclosure design self sustaining vivaria, based on the idea that the population would grow and become self sustaining. For obvious reasons this was a poor choice of terminology. The population in these vivaria eventually grew so large that animals had to be regularly removed. A better descriptive term would be multi-generation vivaria. In any case, many hobbyists were inspired by the concept and worked on replicating them. Patrick Huddleson, a hobbyist from Iowa who played a important role in helping the Vivarium magazine popularize naturalistic vivaria, decided to ignore all of the expert advice and replicate de Vosjolis experiment using Leopard Geckos. He assembled a 48-inch long vivarium complete with sandy soil, stacked rocks that formed rocks and crevices, a moist egg laying area, and live plants. He introduced and adult pair of leopard geckos and did not remove any eggs laid from the enclosure. The eggs hatched and to his surprise, the adults did not eat the babies but displayed frequent tongue-flicking. At differant times, babies or adults showed signs of following each other. The babies grew up and in there turn bred in the same enclosure. He ended the experiment after the F2 generation. At that time the tank held 18 geckos including 3 males. During the last year of the experiment he had started removing geckos from the tank because it was becoming over crowded and he was noticing signs of aggression between males. For the serious herpers who read his vivarium article, the experiment turned many of their preconceptions upside down, not to mention that Patrick Huddleson had just presented a revolutionary and much more advanced approach to keeping and displaying these lizards.

-taken from "The Herpetoculture of Leopard Geckos: Twenty Seven Generations of Living At"- /QUOTE]