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btw, its illegal to possess this species in the state of California according to California Code of Regulations Title 14, Section 671 C-7-E which is available here
Looks like despite my many phone calls and discussions with fish and game officers regarding capturing and possesing these species, you're right; I have one of the only native species not on the list you can keep. Thanks for being such an uber super trooper and going through all of my state laws to find something i'm doing wrong. You rock my world super hero. Please, next time you feeling like saying anything to me, don't.
Guess I better call DFG tomorrow and ask what they want me to do with this situation, which I can almost guarantee will end in we really don't care, that's the least of our concern, like almost all of the rest of conversations with them.
Edit: Just went back over the law, it's legal to hunt and take this species, just not posses live, provided this document is even current since they changed the law last year. I guess that means by law I have to kill them. Thanks Kyle, good catch.
Looks like despite my many phone calls and discussions with fish and game officers regarding capturing and possesing these species, you're right, I have one of the only native species not on the list. Thanks for being such an uber super trooper and going through all of my state laws to find something i'm doing wrong. You rock my world super hero. Please, next time you feeling like saying anything to me, don't.
Guess I better call DFG tomorrow and ask what they want me to do with this situation, which I can almost guarantee will end in we really don't care, that's the least of our concern, like almost all of the rest of conversations with them.
Edit: Just went back over the law, it's legal to hunt and take this species, just not posses live, provided this document is even current since they changed the law last year. I guess that means by law I have to kill them. Thanks Kyle, good catch.
If the law changed after you already had them, you're good regardless right?
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If the law changed after you already had them, you're good regardless right?
According to DFG yes. I haven't seen written copy of this revised edition of the new law they told me about. But according to them you used to be able to posses 2 of each California native species. C oreganus is a native species. The last time I talked to them they said this law was changed and there is now no limit on live possesion. I'll find out tomorrow. Or try, like I said, they rarely seem to care. I have to prod them to find out just so I can be completely legal and legit, regardless if they care or not.
According to DFG yes. I haven't seen written copy of this revised edition of the new law they told me about. But according to them you used to be able to posses 2 of each California native species. C oreganus is a native species. The last time I talked to them they said this law was changed and there is now no limit on live possesion. I'll find out tomorrow. Or try, like I said, they rarely seem to care. I have to prod them to find out just so I can be completely legal and legit, regardless if they care or not.
I'd be surprised if they cared. Especially since you practically live in the wild yourself haha
Looks like despite my many phone calls and discussions with fish and game officers regarding capturing and possesing these species, you're right; I have one of the only native species not on the list you can keep. Thanks for being such an uber super trooper and going through all of my state laws to find something i'm doing wrong. You rock my world super hero. Please, next time you feeling like saying anything to me, don't.
Guess I better call DFG tomorrow and ask what they want me to do with this situation, which I can almost guarantee will end in we really don't care, that's the least of our concern, like almost all of the rest of conversations with them.
Edit: Just went back over the law, it's legal to hunt and take this species, just not posses live, provided this document is even current since they changed the law last year. I guess that means by law I have to kill them. Thanks Kyle, good catch.
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thats nuts Randy.....
you can kill em,eat em,just don't dare keep them alive and feed them
your laws,are as nuts,as UK laws mate
cheers shaun
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Relax, I'm currently dealing with someone local who was illegally keeping snakes and had them confiscated. That law is current from what I found, revision date 4/8/11. I'm trying to keep you from getting in trouble with the law here, if you choose to ignore it, so be it. The web is awash with stories of people who were told one thing by the people who should know the laws but then were prosecuted because the laws actually say something different. Its not like its difficult to find these laws either.
You think I'm annoying? Consider how you look first. Almost mauled by your Burm, breeding sick snakes then selling the mate and the lone surviving offspring who could have contracted whatever killed off the female and possibly infecting their collection considering the male died a few months later while an illegal rattlesnake in your collection dies with similar symptoms. I'm pointing out the way things look, definitely looks like a contagious disease is manifested in your collection, others that I've spoken to agree and think its a virus based on the rapid deterioration of the animals condition after the onset of symptoms.
And yes Shaun, laws in the US make no sense. But its still our responsibility to know them and obey them, something some people in the reptile community fail to comprehend. This one seems to take the cake though. I couldn't believe it myself when I first read it, especially since its listed as a species of least concern.
You think I'm annoying? Consider how you look first. Almost mauled by your Burm, breeding sick snakes then selling the mate and the lone surviving offspring who could have contracted whatever killed off the female and possibly infecting their collection considering the male died a few months later while an illegal rattlesnake in your collection dies with similar symptoms. I'm pointing out the way things look, definitely looks like a contagious disease is manifested in your collection, others that I've spoken to agree and think its a virus based on the rapid deterioration of the animals condition after .
Consider how I look first.... Yeah my mistakes don't justify or counteract you're annoying ignorance. I may have made some mistakes (which you're list of mine I find very entertaining) but I've learned from them and corrected them. Whereas what i've seen and heard of you, well that speaks of your CHARACTER.
Almost mauled by my burm? You mean the only one time in two years she actually stuck at me? Sold the mate and lone surviving offspring? Nope gave them away to a good home after explaining the situation. The mate never showed any signs and was in great health when he left. But he had the exact same symptoms as the male that never had symptoms? OK. I'd love to know the others you've spoke to that agree, because quite the opposite has been heard by me and her from others. But your little record of in correct information you seem to be keeping on me is only half the reason I find you to be ignorant and irritating. If you were trying to help and keep me out of a trouble a simple PM might have worked letting me know you found a law that doesn't make sense, letting me try to figure out how to handle it on my own instead of making it known to everyone here.
Even if all had to do was google "CA illegal rattlesnake" and not search massive law documents, the fact you went out of your way to see if I'M legal, well,
Relax, I'm currently dealing with someone local who was illegally keeping snakes and had them confiscated. That law is current from what I found, revision date 4/8/11. I'm trying to keep you from getting in trouble with the law here, if you choose to ignore it, so be it. The web is awash with stories of people who were told one thing by the people who should know the laws but then were prosecuted because the laws actually say something different. Its not like its difficult to find these laws either.
You think I'm annoying? Consider how you look first. Almost mauled by your Burm, breeding sick snakes then selling the mate and the lone surviving offspring who could have contracted whatever killed off the female and possibly infecting their collection considering the male died a few months later while an illegal rattlesnake in your collection dies with similar symptoms. I'm pointing out the way things look, definitely looks like a contagious disease is manifested in your collection, others that I've spoken to agree and think its a virus based on the rapid deterioration of the animals condition after the onset of symptoms.
And yes Shaun, laws in the US make no sense. But its still our responsibility to know them and obey them, something some people in the reptile community fail to comprehend. This one seems to take the cake though. I couldn't believe it myself when I first read it, especially since its listed as a species of least concern.
I was fully aware of the situation when I took the snakes on. So if anything were to happen to my collection, it would be my mistake... Randy was very upfront and honest with me. I know he was being sincere and just wanted his snakes to go to a good home.
Luigi was healthy. Remember I took him to the vet because I thought he may be sick? The vet said she doesn't see anything of concern. When he died, I took him back for a necropsy, and the vet couldn't find any tissue damage or anything that would indicate an illness. He died within 2 days after he started showing symptoms. It happened very fast. As far as I know, most illnesses take longer to kill a snake. The vet said he was in overall good health and appeared properly cared for. I even asked her about IBD and other crazy things and she said that none of Luigi's symptoms matched the typical symptoms of crazy things like IBD. She did not seem too concerned about my other snakes. Anything is possible, but this is a really great exotic clinic with very qualified vets and I have no reason not to trust them. I haven't heard a single negative thing about them yet. Also, from what I read, most crazy illnesses are much more aggressive in juveniles. So if anything was wrong, wouldn't Xena be showing symptoms already? She is 5 months old and a healthy little firecracker.
As far as Xena's mom goes, she was sick and it was obvious. Luigi never showed any of her symptoms. And neither has Xena.
I do not agree that Randy's rattler and Luigi had the same or even similar symptoms. Luigi was very weak, yes, but he was not ever laying upside down or anything. When I flipped him over, he was able to correct himself despite his limpness. Even at the very end. The vet thinks that his heart might have just given out...
I understand and appreciate your concern, and I am watching my other snakes very closely, but after talking to the vet that did the necropsy on Luigi and also to some of the experienced and established members here, I feel fairly confident that Luigi's case, Xena's mom's case, and now the rattler's case are all unrelated. The chance that they are related is pretty small in my opinion, and it would be a very rare case because each of the 3 snakes had very different issues.
Randy is keeping me updated on how the other rattlers are doing and like I said, I'm watching the rest of my snakes closely and using as much caution as I can. I'm prepared to take any or all of them to the vet if anything comes up, and as soon as I have a bit of extra money I'll probably take Xena to get tested since she was in contact with both the mom and Luigi.
Randy has made some mistakes, but who hasn't? He recognized them, owned up to them, and is doing his best to fix them. That's more than most people would do... I personally saw how he keeps his snakes. All the essentials of proper husbandry appeared to be met. He was being very cautious when he showed me his snakes and even prepared me for the worst case scenario if things went wrong while taking the burm out. Based on what I saw, Randy genuinely cares about the well being of his animals and is doing the best he can to care for them properly.
I'm not trying to take sides... Both of you guys are my ssnakess buddies and I respect you both. But because I met Randy in person and saw the conditions his snakes are kept in, and because I'm the one who took the 2 boas and had to watch and deal with Luigi dying (), I feel like calling Randy out like this is super unnecessary. Please don't be offended, Kyle, I'm just trying to straighten out facts and tell it from my perspective...
Trollbie i didn't know luigi died! : ( Super sad face : (
I'm sorry!
I guess i missed that post or something. aww : (
My condolences!
Just keep an eye out for anything with your other critters. I hope all those cases were unrelated : (
I didn't post about it. I've been busy and my laptop charger was broken, and I was pretty devastated so I didn't want to think about it it happened like 3 weeks ago...
After over a 100 mile trip, I came back exactly where I was before. Perfectly legal, with no limit on how many you can posses, as long as it's CA native. Issue resolved with no more of anything in question. She highlighted the law that adresses reptile capture and possesion in the DFG manual and gave me it.
After over a 100 mile trip, I came back exactly where I was before. Perfectly legal, with no limit on how many you can posses, as long as it's CA native. Issue resolved with no more of anything in question. She highlighted the law that adresses reptile capture and possesion in the DFG manual and gave me it.
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it happened like 3 weeks ago...
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