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Originally Posted by Cam
Thanks much for the added info! The breeder seems like a very knowledgeable and professional guy (Henry Piorun A1Pythons.com) but he does specialize heavily in ball pythons so maybe it's worth asking.
The main reason I was considering the fluorescents is that I have a 1.5" space above the top (glass) of the enclosure that I could juuust cram a fixture in and have it be nicely concealed. The gentle warmth wouldn't pose an issue for cracking the glass or anything either. I'll go back to the drawing board though, it sounds like maybe not the best plan.
For night lighting what I've used in my aquaria are cold cathode tubes from computer case lighting. They come in lots of colors, are dim, cheap, run cold, etc. Maybe I'll just put a few white ones in for daytime ambient light in this temp setup and scratch my head a bit more on the full size viv.
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Well Henry's been breeding REAL Pythons (not BPs) since before most of us stopped peeing in our pants or were even concieved
Know the man personally, bought my first snake & many more from him over the last 13 years.
As for the Jaguar neurological issues they are not "triggered" they either have them or they do not & there are slight & extreme cases.
They typically worsen or become more noticable as the animal ages.
That said its well known that exposure to certain chemicals will also cause snakes neurological issues HOWEVER in the case of Jaguars it is a genetic thing, same as with Spider BPs & a few other snake types/morphs.
Its one of those genes that contributes to lethal combos.
Being a codom they were line bred in the begining (& still are in some collections) trying to produce a "Super".
Jag to Jag breedings of course produce all jags & also will produce all white ones that could potentially be "supers".
That said EVERY single one ever produced (all white, potential "supers") has DIED or to the best of my knowledge that NONE exist.
They do not hatch on their own they come out of manually pipped eggs IF they come out at all (will die in the egg if not manually pipped, not meant to be!)
If they live past the egg they typically die off in the first few days or weeks.
They never feed & always die, thus the "fatal white gene" that you hear about in other animal species, I have heard horse folks talk about it etc.
Anyhow the neurological issues are straight up genetics & they either have them or they do not.
I have seen first hand multiple examples of almost none or extremely mild displays of this & have seen total corkscrew action as well.
My one & only Jaguar breeding using a pure Diamond male to a pure coastal female jag produced one with some issues, not enough to cull it but it was given away as a pet & is still not quite right to this day.
I also have had a pure coastal jag from a ccp to ccp jag brreding done by a person I know here for a couple years as well that was totally messed up.
As a baby it was not too bad but got progressively worse in its 2nd & 3rd year.
Eats, fine, sheds fine. craps fine BUT extremely BAD motor skills & next to no coordination when moving.
I was "babysitting" this snake for 2 years & just gave it away as a pet rather than euthanizing it as a subadult.
If it had displayed the behaviour that bad as a baby & I had prodcued it I would have culled it.
Anyhow ASK about the parental stock, I personally would not ever buy a jaguar from jag to jag breeding or from a breeding where either parent displayed obvious neurological issues.
Henry's pretty easy to talk too & I'm sure he will answer all your Qs in regaurds to such.
Cheers Mark
P.S. as for minor head bobbing when excited or in feeding mode pretty much ANY Carpet will do so to some extent prior striking prey, folks tend to worry more about it now with the known jaguar issues when it has been something pretty normal snakes will do when excited feeding etc.
P.P.S. I would never breed a jag to a known sibling or parent ever whether they were a jag or not, better to be safe than sorry.
I at this time have sold off ALL my jaguars the neuological factor being one of the main reasons alomg with all the intersubspecies crossing going on instead of breeding "pure" subspecies everyone & their dog is no breeding subspecies crosses (aka MUTTS) just because they can. Its getting pretty difficult to obtain pure subspecies stock since jags hit the scene anyhow.
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