Feelin' hot, Hot, HOT! Oh yeah! - Page 4

ugo · 12-04-11, 03:29 AM

Everyone of U was right and wise . And surely i won't argue with anyone.
Pls forgive me if i hurted and forget what i wrote : everyone has Her/His own way.

Love & passion came first, I see respect and the weight of a known risk, but not fear at all amongst the ven. keepers . and i cannot plan to have under control snakes, vivs, tongs etc, etc, i have to deal with them as with all the other snakes.

other pets : i had dogs too (Dobermann and Komondor) but never i sentenced them to a life of castity. And this more true with so delicate , and now rare, venomous species: how could U know U r keeping them well, if U don't know if U match all their requirements, and U r not only making them 'surviving'? Mating is the trigger. Ok, -sorry for the 'mental challenge'- but,please try to turn Urself into castity for an year, and let me know if it is 'normal'.

the Friend's pics i m trying to add here aren't showing a 'bullish' way, only an ordinary confidence evryone has to have (U need that in the ordinary daily work and it could be mandatory in an emergence accadiment).
I apologize again with everyone felt offended from my thoughts.
cheers,
ugo
ps, hope the last 1 will transmitt U the joy of the success in breeding a so particular Species (Parias flavimaculatus)

ZARADOZIA · 12-04-11, 04:03 AM

Ugo dear,
I do not think you offended (hurt) any one. Most of the time we share our ideas and thoughts and that is what every one was doing, sharing their ideas and thoughts.

It is ok if the ideas and thoughts are different, we are all different.

I love the pics, they are impressive!

ugo · 12-04-11, 07:14 AM

Thanks, Zaradozia.
i appreciate so much
- Ur kindness
- Ur beauty
- the fact U don't go 'hidden' behind any 'avatar'

all my best
ugo

candyraver69 · 12-04-11, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ugo

Thanks, Zaradozia.
i appreciate so much
- Ur kindness
- Ur beauty
- the fact U don't go 'hidden' behind any 'avatar'

all my best
ugo

This reminds me, how do I still not have an avatar? Shame on me! I will have to put a snake though. If anyone wants to see my dumb old face it's in the thread of put a face to a name :P but I'd rather show off my pretty slitheries.

jarich · 12-05-11, 09:07 AM

While I agree with wanting to have the best captive care we can for our snakes Ugo, I couldnt disagree with you more regarding breeding. The instinctual drive to procreate is so strong in all animals that they will do so even in less than ideal conditions, so breeding is actually a minimum requirement for husbandry, not an indicator of the ideal husbandry. As Im sure you know, in the bare minimum environment any snake will attempt to breed and often to its detriment. And suppose you do get them to successfully breed, then what? You now have exponentially increased the number of venomous snakes you have, yet, the number of keepers responsible enough to house them has not. So either you now have a host of snakes you may or may not have room for, or you will be selling them to people you arent sure can provide those same levels of husbandry for them. If you were releasing them back into the wild environment they come from then this might be a different thing, but thats not what we are talking about here.

As to your example of whether or not we as people could remain in chastity for years, well follow that example to its natural conclusion. Could we? Yes of course, and could do so while remaining perfectly healthy the entire time. However, we, like all animals, have the instinctual drive to procreate, even though that has nothing to do with individual health. The healthiest thing for these animals is not to keep them at all, so by your logic you should release all your animals into the wild. I dont think thats going to happen though now is it?

ugo · 12-06-11, 03:16 PM

Jarich :

I LOVE UR HUMOUR

because it was an humorous post, isn't it?

candyraver69 · 12-06-11, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jarich

While I agree with wanting to have the best captive care we can for our snakes Ugo, I couldnt disagree with you more regarding breeding. The instinctual drive to procreate is so strong in all animals that they will do so even in less than ideal conditions, so breeding is actually a minimum requirement for husbandry, not an indicator of the ideal husbandry. As Im sure you know, in the bare minimum environment any snake will attempt to breed and often to its detriment. And suppose you do get them to successfully breed, then what? You now have exponentially increased the number of venomous snakes you have, yet, the number of keepers responsible enough to house them has not. So either you now have a host of snakes you may or may not have room for, or you will be selling them to people you arent sure can provide those same levels of husbandry for them. If you were releasing them back into the wild environment they come from then this might be a different thing, but thats not what we are talking about here.

As to your example of whether or not we as people could remain in chastity for years, well follow that example to its natural conclusion. Could we? Yes of course, and could do so while remaining perfectly healthy the entire time. However, we, like all animals, have the instinctual drive to procreate, even though that has nothing to do with individual health. The healthiest thing for these animals is not to keep them at all, so by your logic you should release all your animals into the wild. I dont think thats going to happen though now is it?

Oh boy what a can of worms. I agree that most animals will breed in sub-optimal conditions. Regarding the need to breed to be healthy... I have no clue about reptiles, but regarding humans I bet you could get many people disagreeing with you there. Take away the fact we can use birth control to satisfy our needs without actually procreating of coarse, because actually giving birth is not essential nor beneficial to our health. Anyways... way way way off topic, so I think that if we want to debate the need to procreate to be healthy it needs to go somewhere other than this thread about HOTS. I am certain there is extensive research done on this subject among many different species, but this is not the thread for that.

Freebody · 12-06-11, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Will0W783

Thanks guys!

Ugo, you have a valid point, but I could counter your point with why keep a dog if you're not going to breed it? Why keep a cat, or any animal for that matter? I love my animals and respect them and am in constant awe of their grace, agility, and majesty. They bring joy into my life- what other reason is better to keep them?
I agree that too many people rush into keeping hots purely for the "rush" or the bragging rights to boast to their friends about what they own. I do not keep hots BECAUSE they challenge me, nor do I keep them BECAUSE they are dangerous....I keep them because of their beauty and majesty and because they are unique, and I RESPECT them because they are dangerous and a challenge. This forum only has a few people that keep hots, and the ones who go about it wrongly and irresponsibly usually don't last long here. You won't find me, or any of the other hot-keepers on here arguing that more people should keep hots or that they are for everyone- they are not. I would never recommend them to anyone; however, if one trains diligently and gets a mentor and does one's research, it is their choice. I'm sorry you have lost people close to you via snakebite- that must be a very tough thing to go through. My condolences to you.

Thanks Freebody- I love his colors too.

If you are thinking of ever getting into elapids, I highly recommend keeping red-tailed green rat snakes, or Spilotes and mangrove snakes first. They are not the same thing, but are fairly decent specimens for fine-tuning your hooking and tailing techniques, and for learning to anticipate quick agile movements and hook-climbing. A cobra will try to climb the hook like there's no tomorrow...it's a constant dance to keep them at the end and away from you.

thx for the tip, i highly dought i ever will tho :P with my luck.... better stick to seeing pics from the pros

Will0W783 · 12-07-11, 09:35 AM

I wouldn't call myself a "pro" per se, lol. I'm still quite new to hots, but hopefully my precautions and training keep me safe.

jarich · 12-07-11, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ugo

Jarich :

I LOVE UR HUMOUR

because it was an humorous post, isn't it?

Why thank you! I enjoy your posts as well. Yes, parts of it were meant to be humorous, for sure. A spoonful of sugar and all that

KD35WIN.AS.ONE · 12-11-11, 07:49 PM

Stunning collection. I know you are enjoying their company to the fullest. I see the hex print in the gloves, Venom Defenders..? Clem and Maureen are wonderful people, they are exhibiting this product in Hamm right now. I have a pair myself.

Jay · 12-11-11, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KD35WIN.AS.ONE

Stunning collection. I know you are enjoying their company to the fullest. I see the hex print in the gloves, Venom Defenders..? Clem and Maureen are wonderful people, they are exhibiting this product in Hamm right now. I have a pair myself.

You're back... Welcome.

KD35WIN.AS.ONE · 12-12-11, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jay0133

You're back... Welcome.

Yes for now.. Christmas break couldn't have taken any longer to get here.

**millertime89** · 12-12-11, 01:09 AM

lucky you, still not officially on mine. Welcome back, you should post up some updated pics of your 2 monocleds.

Will0W783 · 12-17-11, 09:50 AM

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see the hex print in the gloves, Venom Defenders..?

Mine are actually HexArmor needlestick and puncture resistant gloves...they are the same thing as Venom Defenders, just marketed towards other professions as well. I did a lot of research before purchasing the gloves, and found out that Venom Defenders use the hex-fabric that HexArmor produces. The model of glove I have is no longer produced, because Venom Defenders now makes them. I use them as a backup safety tool...never as a primary method. I prefer to utilize good hooking and/or tailing technique, but know that I have the gloves on as an extra precaution. They are a great product!