Egg binding. Any sort of DIY advice?

[TeaNinja]

Originally Posted by Dehlida

The funny part is, all the reptiles that die in my care are used as feeders, and nothing is wasted. Animals who die because they are SICK are not fed out to anything, however a snake I have had for a long time who is visibally healthy I see no reason to not use it fully in it's death as a food source, so you can take that crap elsewhere.

As for cruelty, why is it that when faced with a serious medical condition that any other owner can make the decision to put their pet down, however if I make that decision, I'm cruel and should be reported? Accidents happen, illness happens, sometimes the cards simply don't play out. Saying I should be reported because I choose to humanely put down my pet rather than pay hundreds in vet bills is both ludicrous and stupid.

you appear to be missing my point. if an owner of a pet chooses to put down an animal instead of seeking vet care there is not a thing we can say or do unless you're being cruel to the animal. if you claim to run a BUSINESS revolving around your animals, i feel you are obligated to keep them all in fair health and seek vet care when needed. as i said, do we see pet stores just killing their animals? no. sometimes we see animals dieing at crappy reptile stores, but they get shut down for that, as you should if you continue to put down animals that should be seen by a vet in your "business"

and another thing...... a "business" using their animals as feeders? lol.

[Lankyrob]

Originally Posted by Dehlida

The funny part is, all the reptiles that die in my care are used as feeders, and nothing is wasted. Animals who die because they are SICK are not fed out to anything, however a snake I have had for a long time who is visibally healthy I see no reason to not use it fully in it's death as a food source, so you can take that crap elsewhere.

As for cruelty, why is it that when faced with a serious medical condition that any other owner can make the decision to put their pet down, however if I make that decision, I'm cruel and should be reported? Accidents happen, illness happens, sometimes the cards simply don't play out. Saying I should be reported because I choose to humanely put down my pet rather than pay hundreds in vet bills is both ludicrous and stupid.

The difference is a pet owner will make a joint decision with a VET that an animal is not viable before making the decision to euthanize. YOu are choosing to KILL an animall just cos it might cost you some money to treat it.

[Dehlida]

Originally Posted by TeaNinja

you appear to be missing my point. if an owner of a pet chooses to put down an animal instead of seeking vet care there is not a thing we can say or do unless you're being cruel to the animal. if you claim to run a BUSINESS revolving around your animals, i feel you are obligated to keep them all in fair health and seek vet care when needed. as i said, do we see pet stores just killing their animals? no. sometimes we see animals dieing at crappy reptile stores, but they get shut down for that, as you should if you continue to put down animals that should be seen by a vet in your "business"

and another thing...... a "business" using their animals as feeders? lol.

Snakes and Lizards do eat other snakes, why would I waste anything that would happen naturally? This boggles my mind. White rats are a far more unatural food source.

I actually spoke with a friend of mine who is a liscensed vet and very accomplished for over 20 years, and had her take a look at it. The consensus was the safest way was surgery, however the problem is likely to arise again every year around this time, especially given the fact she wasn't eating extra, and wasn't cooled. She was kept in a very expensive caging system at one of my best friends houses in optimal care (she was being used in a display at the time). - The advice was that the best option if this isn't easily remedied both for myself on my budget, and the SNAKES BEST INTEREST, would be to put down the snake.

[TeaNinja]

jesus you're hard to get through to. a BUSINESS shouldn't feed their stock animals to other stock animals, period.
if you do, you're either NOT a business, or you're a business that should be shut down.

i have no problems with snakes and lizards eating each other.

[Dehlida]

Originally Posted by TeaNinja

jesus you're hard to get through to. a BUSINESS shouldn't feed their stock animals to other stock animals, period.
if you do, you're either NOT a business, or you're a business that should be shut down.

i have no problems with snakes and lizards eating each other.

Why? If I have an animal die, freeze it for 2 weeks, and feed it out, how is it any different than the fact I breed rodents and sell rodents? Both are part of the BUSINESS, clearly I should get rats from an outside source!

[Jay]

Originally Posted by TeaNinja

a "business" using their animals as feeders? lol.

Your methods of running your so called business are unbelievable. I understand the attempt you're making, you wont get far with your methods.
I'm sure you have healthy snakes as well, but when one gets injured or ill what happens to the snake. The difference between you and a REAL breeder is a long list. (Be creative)

[TeaNinja]

the difference is feeder rats are bred for the sole purpose of being euthanized and fed, your stock animals are bred to be sold and cared for as pets and should get the vet care that goes along with it. you're clearly just trying to stir **** up so i'm gonna stop feeding into it. good luck not getting shut down.

[Dehlida]

Not getting shut down? Because of a variance of opinions? Farms that raise goldfish feed their goldfish OTHER DEAD GOLDFISH. I'm not feeding chicken to chickens, I'm feeding a dead snake to another predator, one that would naturally in the wild eat snakes.

The funny part is- even with the vet opinion being surgery in the hundreds almost every year, you guys would rather put your snake/pocketbooks through surgery every year than humanely put the snake down. I'm going to try my home remedies, if they don't work the snake will be euthanized as suggested by my friend. Period, if you don't like the vet's opinion - take it elsewhere. You may choose to spend hundreds on a snake, I do not, get over it our opinions are different.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by TeaNinja

the difference is feeder rats are bred for the sole purpose of being euthanized and fed, your stock animals are bred to be sold and cared for as pets and should get the vet care that goes along with it. you're clearly just trying to stir **** up so i'm gonna stop feeding into it. good luck not getting shut down.

Tea, That was not a shot at you at all. I did not mean to quote you either.
I know what you are doing with your rats, its smart. You enjoy breeding as a second hobby. Why kill your rats when you can possibly give them a better home in exchange for some frozen.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Dehlida

Not getting shut down? Because of a variance of opinions? Farms that raise goldfish feed their goldfish OTHER DEAD GOLDFISH. I'm not feeding chicken to chickens, I'm feeding a dead snake to another predator, one that would naturally in the wild eat snakes.

The funny part is- even with the vet opinion being surgery in the hundreds almost every year, you guys would rather put your snake/pocketbooks through surgery every year than humanely put the snake down. I'm going to try my home remedies, if they don't work the snake will be euthanized as suggested by my friend. Period, if you don't like the vet's opinion - take it elsewhere. You may choose to spend hundreds on a snake, I do not, get over it our opinions are different.

You are not a vet

[Dehlida]

Originally Posted by jay0133

You are not a vet

My friend who I called to get an opinion; however, is a certified to practice vet. I'm not claiming I am a vet. You are clearly upset the fact the vet agrees with me.

The funny thing is- I know a LOT of breeders who keep a few extra adult king snakes/bullsnakes around just for this time of year- to eat all the little kinked babies, or to eat snakes who refuse food. Guess they shoulda taken them all to the vet and be shut down for cruel practices.

Again since people want to get off topic with things. If you do not have something constructive to add to the original question- asking for DIY remedies for this sort of thing, please do not post in my thread further. I don't need this argument continueing for pages because we will and always will disagree. Get over it and move on.

[Jay]

^^Interesting

[Lankyrob]

Did you discuss removal of the ovaries with the vet? Then you wouldnt need year on year attention, one bill and the snake lives for a good number more years.

[Dehlida]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Did you discuss removal of the ovaries with the vet? Then you wouldnt need year on year attention, one bill and the snake lives for a good number more years.

No, I don't believe in this practice at all. The same way I don't believe in removing venom glands. Part of the reason I'll only get a dog that's already fixed- I can't go through that process myself. I saw it happen once to my first dog and she never was the same. It's a disgusting thing to do to an animal.

[Lankyrob]

But in this case it saves a life and also prevents future medical issues? I would gladly lose mine to get rid of my medical problems!