Fish!

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by mistersprinkles

Yup. The whole fish trade thing is messed up. Some fish only exist in the wild BECAUSE of it. Dwarf Gouramis in Bangladesh would all have been eaten or died from having pollution dumped into their water ways. The only reason they are purposely preserved is that it's worth a lot more to net half a million of them a month and sell them to pet wholesalers...

Ultra double edged sword... Some parts of the Xingu river in south america are preserved because there's a kind of small catfish there that goes for $100-$300 a pop. You can net 1000 of them and have a very very nice payday. Same thing goes for discus. People will pay $100 a go for a fish that you can easily catch hundreds of with a surface net and a canoe.

Is taking animals from the wild for 'use' as pets right? No. Is paving over a pond right?
The whole thing is really messed up.

The whole fish trade is messed up but you do know as long as someone buys these animals it will always be this way. People in those area do this to put food on their table. Not because they like the destruction. Always remember that if you were starving and trying to make a living you'd do some outstanding things that others may not like too.

[mistersprinkles]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

The whole fish trade is messed up but you do know as long as someone buys these animals it will always be this way. People in those area do this to put food on their table. Not because they like the destruction. Always remember that if you were starving and trying to make a living you'd do some outstanding things that others may not like too.

Ya. I know. That's what I'm saying. There's something very wrong with people like you.
"I keep my pet tiger in a closet but it's ok it's been alive on hamburger for three years". And, by the way, you can work in a pet shop and be a moron, I see it every day. I've gotten people fired for the amount of incorrect info they were spouting because I was friends with the manager. Go ask Harold and Mike if Pablo knows what he's talking about. They'll tell you I'm a prick but they won't tell you I don't know my stuff.

I never said your gourami wouldn't feed. If it's a male, does it have a huge bubblenest that it always maintains perfectly? If not, it's stressed. Odds are it's male as most of the blood/flame honey gouramis sold and all of the red dwarfs sold are male in the pet trade.

The only reason nobody else is crying bloody murder is that they don't know fish. If you had a cornsnake in a shoe box, which you essentially do, they'd be on you. I know a LOT of people who keep clown loaches with africans. Those of us who know better call those people morons and try to educate them but they insist that their archaic 1980's misinformation is correct. Do your africans let your clowns nap on their side during the day for hours on end like they'd like to? Is your substrate soft enough for the clowns to burrow without hurting themselves? Are all their barbels long and perfect? What? No? That's not even taking into account that they NEED acidic water and higher temps than tanganyikans can tolerate. I don't mean need to live until October, I mean need to live until 2030 like they're supposed to and hit 12" like they're supposed to.

Loaches Online - Community Edition — Loaches Online go tell that forum what you've got. They'll say worse than I have. You read the part where I said I was friends with someone who WROTE A BOOK on clown loaches, ya? Who do you think knows more about them, me or you? Go on loaches.com MT-ED is Martin Thoene who wrote said book. Enjoy.

[marvelfreak]

Originally Posted by mistersprinkles

You read the part where I said I was friends with someone who WROTE A BOOK on clown loaches, ya? Who do you think knows more about them, me or you?

I said your friend. Just because your friend wrote a book about them doesn't mean you a expert.

[mistersprinkles]

Originally Posted by marvelfreak

I said your friend. Just because your friend wrote a book about them doesn't mean you a expert.

What planet are you people from? Seriously. . You don't think I've soaked up a lot of knowledge from reading the guy's book and spending hours with him talking about fish and seeing his setups? Are you for real?

There's something wrong with you guys I'm done with this thread. Some people are so stupid they actually get offended when someone tells them 'you're doing it wrong'. Absolutely pathetic.

And ya, Aaron, what ARE your water parameters? Gimme your pH/gH or TDS/kH/temp as well as your nH3/4 No2/No3 (I can already hear the 'i don't have a full test kit' but I'll wait) and what filtration and heating you're using. And send me a photo of your lone clown loach I guarantee you I can pick out a dozen things wrong with it, but you don't care about its well being, do you? I'd like to add that were I still working at a pet store, if you told me what you had and didn't listen to advice, I would refuse to sell you any live animal. You must have worked at a PJs or Big Als to be so pig headed.

[marvelfreak]

Originally Posted by mistersprinkles

What planet are you people from? Seriously. . You don't think I've soaked up a lot of knowledge from reading the guy's book and spending hours with him talking about fish and seeing his setups? Are you for real?

There's something wrong with you guys I'm done with this thread. Some people are so stupid they actually get offended when someone tells them 'you're doing it wrong'. Absolutely pathetic.

Kind of like you every time some one says something you don't agree with. I read threw most of your posts and for some one who knows it all i don't why you waste your time here. Oh wait yes i do you just want to tell everyone there wrong.