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Originally Posted by exwizard
Since you call me extremist for not trusting the government, let me tell you where Im coming from. When Iowa first passed 717F, the original version did not include snakes but special interests saw fit to add them in. While Im not opposed to venemous snakes being on this list, giants on the other hand, I have a problem. African Rocks, Anacondas or Retics are now banned from Iowa entirely.To top matters off, Des Moines does not allow any snake over 6' in length no matter the species unless you have a permit. I have this permit but I resent the fact that I had to wait a very long time to even be able to take this class that allows me to get the permit in the first place. I really fear any further restrictions on me being able to keep my snakes.
Floridas problems cannot happen in states like Ohio, Iowa or anywhere else that winters get too cold to sustain them. If a Burm or Retic ever escapes there is no way they can survive much less thrive in our harsh winters so Florida is irrelevant to that argument.
Also it is not extremist to push for smaller government less regulation and lower taxes, because each one of these stifles economic activity. Ive said it before, anytime government gets involved in anything even if its to provide "solutions" to society's problems it screws up society even more and ends up spending untold trillions on a problem they only aggravate and that includes snake keeping restrictions and their enforcement.
This I agree with completely.
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Ex, I wasn't using the Florida thing as an argument. That was more of a ridiculous overstatement to make the point that geckos and and bearded dragons are not going to come under fire.
I also never said I supported banning big snakes. All I said was the Ohio thing wasn't particularly unreasonable. They ask you to show proof that you have a willing vet, a plan for escape, etc. That isn't unreasonable to keep a retic over 12 feet. This has nothing to do with geckos or all your herps like everyone keeps saying. Should my neighbor be worried about his house cats because lions are on there? Are they out to take away peoples cats now? I know there is a lot of unreasonable legislation out there and I don't agree with it.
I didn't call you extremist for not trusting the government. You basically stated that because Ohio enacted a permit system for some constrictors over 12 feet, that they are out to take away all our herps. The legislation has nothing to do with geckos, bearded dragons, or turtles. Your viewpoint based on that is a bit extreme. All I said was the Ohio legislation was not unreasonable and nobody is out to take away your freaking geckos. Then you all started bombing me with a bunch of other crap about federal bans and stuff in Iowa, once again none of which had anything to do with anything even remotely close to a gecko. I should have known my comment about extremist would open up a can of worms. Maybe that was a bit stronger of a word than I wanted to use. Sorry about that ex. I just don't agree with the belief that the government is out to take away your geckos based on the fact that Ohio requires a permit to have a retic over 12 feet, becuse that that is pretty much what both of you said directly. If you want to tell me that you honestly believe a bill that requires someone to obtain a permit to keep venomous snakes or a few constrictor species only if they happen to be over 12 feet means that the government is trying to take away people's geckos, then we can leave it at that. I call that a bit extreme, and I won't back out on that one. Other than that, I said nothing about Iowa or federal bans with respect to extreme views.
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