Is She A Rosy Corn Snake?

[LiL Zap]

I've had my corn snake for 10 years now (since she was a hatchling) and I've always been under the impression that she is a normal. Recently at Repticon, a breeder saw my snake in my hand and eagerly asked to take a look at her. He immediately told me that she isn't a normal but instead a "rosy." I've never heard of this color on a corn snake but he seemed pretty excited about it. He stated if I breed her with another "rosy," the offspring will come out in black and white.

Anyway, I just wanted to get an opinion from everyone on your thoughts. Her belly is a very nice and vibrant orange color and only the upper portion of her underside is black and white. I will try to get a picture of her underside soon (it's too late right now and I'm tired lol).

What do you guys think?

By the way, the smaller corn snuggled with her is my friend's butter.

http://distilleryimage5.ak.instagram.com/163a9c86639e11e3a1b20a5f90c653b9_8.jpg

[poison123]

Never heard of a "rosy corn". Yours looks like a beautiful wild type :)

[mclund]

From what I see in the picture I would say no. Wild corn snakes vary in color throughout the state of Florida. The Rosy Rats came from the upper keys, although I'm sure they are the same in the lower keys, but the lower keys are all sanctuary and it is illegal to collect there. Many rosies were collected and prized for their odd colors before all the morphs were out.
Rosy Rats (corns) have no black, they have a copper to grey base with soft orange saddles and no checkerboard on the bottom. Unless both parents are het for anery, the offspring will look normal. The rosy rats at one time were known as Elaphe guttata rosacea, but all the corns are Pantherophis guttata guttata now. Rosy or not, its a nice looking corn.

[mclund]

Photo courtesy of Daniel Parker, Sunshine serpents.

[KORBIN5895]

Taking your snake to a reptile expo is a risky move. Especially carrying it around in your hands. That's just asking for diseases and mites.

[CosmicOwl]

I think he meant "Rosy rat snake" which used to described a group of snakes native to the keys. However, they are now considered a true corn snake and called a Key corn snake. They tend to have a grey to sand colored background and a natural hypomelanistic appearance. Also, I'm pretty sure the guy has no idea what he is talking about, because Keys corn snakes are a locality/wild type and wouldn't produce an anery(unless they were het for the trait). He may have also been confusing them with with the naturally occurring anerys that seem to have an established population in Florida, as well as the wild caught charcoal and cinder morphs.

[LiL Zap]

Photo courtesy of Daniel Parker, Sunshine serpents.
When I did some research after the show, I came across this picture. I don't think she's a rosy.

[LiL Zap]

Never heard of a "rosy corn". Yours looks like a beautiful wild type :)
Thanks! I appreciate it!

[Mikoh4792]

what a beautiful corn snake. I think that's the best looking one I've seen

[LiL Zap]

what a beautiful corn snake. I think that's the best looking one I've seen
Thanks alot!

[Tsubaki]

Very nice corn! :D love that head of hers!

[lady_bug87]

I've had my corn snake for 10 years now (since she was a hatchling) and I've always been under the impression that she is a normal. Recently at Repticon, a breeder saw my snake in my hand and eagerly asked to take a look at her. He immediately told me that she isn't a normal but instead a "rosy." I've never heard of this color on a corn snake but he seemed pretty excited about it. He stated if I breed her with another "rosy," the offspring will come out in black and white.

Anyway, I just wanted to get an opinion from everyone on your thoughts. Her belly is a very nice and vibrant orange color and only the upper portion of her underside is black and white. I will try to get a picture of her underside soon (it's too late right now and I'm tired lol).

What do you guys think?


What do I think?

[Jim Smith]

I have to agree with Korban5895 regarding taking your snake to any exhibit with other reptiles. You have no idea if the other snakes there are healthy not to mention all the people who may want to touch your animal. Your call, but I would strongly advise you to reconsider this practice.

[LiL Zap]

Very nice corn! :D love that head of hers!
Thank you!

[CK SandBoas]

I'm surprised they let you in with your own personal animal...my local shows do not allow personal pets to be brought into the show.....

[LiL Zap]

Thank you everyone for the input. I didn't think she was a rosy anyway. When I did some research, the rosy looked very different from Checkers. She's just a really pretty normal lol.

[LiL Zap]

I'm surprised they let you in with your own personal animal...my local shows do not allow personal pets to be brought into the show.....
Repticon allows you to bring a maximum of 2 personal animals and they have to be healthy.

[Shann]

When I went to repticon orlando last year that was something that surprised me. But not only do they allow you to take your own animals, dozens of people had snakes with them.

I personally wouldn't do that for lots of reasons, including those listed above, but it seems to be pretty common. Just because they state they have to be healthy doesn't mean they are. And the owners may not even know if they aren't.

[Tsubaki]

I personally would not do that either, and as far as i know it is not allowed at any show in Europe.. I'd be terrified of them catching a disease, and the stress can't be good either. That, and nearly every snake i like end up buying, always tries to eat me. So it wouldn't be a very pleasant trip xD

[Aaron_S]

What do I think?

Hilarious.


I would hesitate to bringing any reptile loose to a reptile show. It may sound silly but not everyone at a show is comfortable with every type of reptile.

You very well could be scaring someone to death and you won't even know it.

That is why at our local shows that outside animals are 1. not allowed in 2. any animal purchased has to be properly contained at all times (outside of maybe an inspection prior to purchase)

[lady_bug87]

Hilarious.


I would hesitate to bringing any reptile loose to a reptile show. It may sound silly but not everyone at a show is comfortable with every type of reptile.

You very well could be scaring someone to death and you won't even know it.

That is why at our local shows that outside animals are 1. not allowed in 2. any animal purchased has to be properly contained at all times (outside of maybe an inspection prior to purchase)

I know right?

[LiL Zap]

I'm pretty sure this thread was about identifying a morph...not reptile diseases. If you guys can't properly learn how to read the English language, try visiting the Sylvan Learning Center page. They have tutoring programs to help with reading. :)

[Donnie]

I'm pretty sure this thread was about identifying a morph...not reptile diseases. If you guys can't properly learn how to read the English language, try visiting the Sylvan Learning Center page. They have tutoring programs to help with reading. :)

I think everybody who read this had a good comprehension of the English language as most picked up on you taking your snake out for a wonderful stressful day out at the reptile show where it can be out of its required environment and possibly come into contact with lots of fantastic bugs and illnesses. People are looking out for the health of you snake and I think it was put across nicely to you so there is no need to be a ****.

[LiL Zap]

I think everybody who read this had a good comprehension of the English language as most picked up on you taking your snake out for a wonderful stressful day out at the reptile show where it can be out of its required environment and possibly come into contact with lots of fantastic bugs and illnesses. People are looking out for the health of you snake and I think it was put across nicely to you so there is no need to be a ****.
I wasn't directing this toward the people who offered me advice nicely (and to the people who were nice and courteous, thank you). I wouldn't call posting a meme insulting me a nice way to offer advice.

Some people parade around these forums like they're so much better than everyone else. I'm not gonna sit here and let people act like a **** towards me. Some guy had the nerve to say "hilarious" to the meme...why? You guys think I'm gonna listen to you after you insult me?

This thread reminds me of the one with the guy who saved a burm. He wasn't fully prepared but instead of offering help, this horrendous community bashes him and posts memes.

This forums is horrible. If I get banned, it would do me a favor.

[Aaron_S]

I'm pretty sure this thread was about identifying a morph...not reptile diseases. If you guys can't properly learn how to read the English language, try visiting the Sylvan Learning Center page. They have tutoring programs to help with reading. :)

As stated, other people chimed in to give advice on the whole practice. We aren't here to simply placate the original poster.

I personally saw a "teachable moment" about being mindful of other's fears while in a public setting with our animals so I took it.

Hopefully someone reading may consider that advice and use it. If you or anyone else doesn't want to use it that's fine. I put it out there and it doesn't bother me one bit if it isn't used because I know it's good advice.

[lady_bug87]

I wasn't directing this toward the people who offered me advice nicely (and to the people who were nice and courteous, thank you). I wouldn't call posting a meme insulting me a nice way to offer advice.

Some people parade around these forums like they're so much better than everyone else. I'm not gonna sit here and let people act like a **** towards me. Some guy had the nerve to say "hilarious" to the meme...why? You guys think I'm gonna listen to you after you insult me?

This thread reminds me of the one with the guy who saved a burm. He wasn't fully prepared but instead of offering help, this horrendous community bashes him and posts memes.

This forums is horrible. If I get banned, it would do me a favor.

If we're so horrible leave. You don't need to be banned to go.

I can read and write (in multiple languages) I also think its idiotic to bring s snake from your collection to a show for NO reason.

Want my advice on your corn? Its a normal corn. Its not even a particularly nice one. Its JUST a normal, dime a dozen corn, its not my job to pacify you.

Poor you, people didn't tell you what you wanted to hear! Grow up. Accept that people arent always going to pat you on the back

[Aaron_S]

I wasn't directing this toward the people who offered me advice nicely (and to the people who were nice and courteous, thank you). I wouldn't call posting a meme insulting me a nice way to offer advice.

Some people parade around these forums like they're so much better than everyone else. I'm not gonna sit here and let people act like a **** towards me. Some guy had the nerve to say "hilarious" to the meme...why? You guys think I'm gonna listen to you after you insult me?

This thread reminds me of the one with the guy who saved a burm. He wasn't fully prepared but instead of offering help, this horrendous community bashes him and posts memes.

This forums is horrible. If I get banned, it would do me a favor.

So my question to you is, I am not allowed to have a sense of humour?

I have a second question, is it the advice you have a problem taking or the person delivering it? Because that's just silly if it's the person. If it's good advice who cares who gives it? You'd actually purposefully ignore good advice because of your feelings for me? Silly.

Also, I don't know the thread you're talking about but sometimes when an animal is rescued the person may have had the heart in the right place but doesn't mean it has gotten to a better place necessarily.

I have seen more than my fair share of people who "rescue" or "save" an animal only to continue giving it bad husbandry.

[CosmicOwl]

So my question to you is, I am not allowed to have a sense of humour?

I have a second question, is it the advice you have a problem taking or the person delivering it? Because that's just silly if it's the person. If it's good advice who cares who gives it? You'd actually purposefully ignore good advice because of your feelings for me? Silly.

Also, I don't know the thread you're talking about but sometimes when an animal is rescued the person may have had the heart in the right place but doesn't mean it has gotten to a better place necessarily.

I have seen more than my fair share of people who "rescue" or "save" an animal only to continue giving it bad husbandry.

I think the problem is that a few people around here tend to give advice while also insulting and ridiculing the poster. I agree that you don't have to pamper people, but you also don't have to trash them for making mistakes. Those people deserve whatever hostility or animosity comes their way.

[lady_bug87]

That meme wasn't insulting. It was using a popular medium by which to express how I feel about something I consider a pointless risk. A sentiment many agreed with might I add,

The OP has every right to report the post. Doesn't need to whine about it.

[poison123]

Whats a "meme"?

[Donnie]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/5d/5d99a962e20c1d9715ed8bb850d5c2ded0fcd6729525c0aa23 672ddc4b1f7ad8.jpg



That's a meme ;)

[LiL Zap]

If we're so horrible leave. You don't need to be banned to go.

I can read and write (in multiple languages) I also think its idiotic to bring s snake from your collection to a show for NO reason.

Want my advice on your corn? Its a normal corn. Its not even a particularly nice one. Its JUST a normal, dime a dozen corn, its not my job to pacify you.

Poor you, people didn't tell you what you wanted to hear! Grow up. Accept that people arent always going to pat you on the back
I didn't ask to be pacified whatsoever.

Second of all, I don't care about her morph. I didn't think she was a "rosy" anyway but I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on it just out of curiosity.

You come in here posting a meme instead of offering constructive criticism. Your intentions were not positive in the slightest bit. I called you out on it and now I'm being a baby?

[KORBIN5895]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/5d/5d99a962e20c1d9715ed8bb850d5c2ded0fcd6729525c0aa23 672ddc4b1f7ad8.jpg



That's a meme ;)

GREAT!!!!! Now you went and insulted Dan! Because if some peoples logic a meme is insulting.... I guess..... Something like that.....

Anyway.... Pm me Lil zap and I will give you a wonderful forum where everyone will pat your butt and congratulate you on everything no matter how dangerous or deadly it is for your snake.

[LiL Zap]

So my question to you is, I am not allowed to have a sense of humour?

I have a second question, is it the advice you have a problem taking or the person delivering it? Because that's just silly if it's the person. If it's good advice who cares who gives it? You'd actually purposefully ignore good advice because of your feelings for me? Silly.

Also, I don't know the thread you're talking about but sometimes when an animal is rescued the person may have had the heart in the right place but doesn't mean it has gotten to a better place necessarily.

I have seen more than my fair share of people who "rescue" or "save" an animal only to continue giving it bad husbandry.
The advice was legitimate but the delivery was so poor. I know when someone is being a **** and right now...some people were being dicks. I don't have anything personal towards you or anyone else on this forum.

[KORBIN5895]

I didn't ask to be pacified whatsoever.

Second of all, I don't care about her morph. I didn't think she was a "rosy" anyway but I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on it just out of curiosity.

You come in here posting a meme instead of offering constructive criticism. Your intentions were not positive in the slightest bit. I called you out on it and now I'm being a baby?

Her meme wasn't negative. If I posted "I guarantee you are going to get mites or a disease" that would be a neutral statement. If I posted " You're an idiot!I guarantee you are going to get mites or a disease" that would be an offensive statement. Just because the words were in a picture of some dude doesn't really change the meaning much.

[poison123]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/5d/5d99a962e20c1d9715ed8bb850d5c2ded0fcd6729525c0aa23 672ddc4b1f7ad8.jpg



That's a meme ;)

Ohhhh!

Why not just call them "gifs" or something? What does "meme" even mean? lol

[poison123]

Anyway.... Pm me Lil zap and I will give you a wonderful forum where everyone will pat your butt and congratulate you on everything no matter how dangerous or deadly it is for your snake.

LOL. Does the forum include birds as well?

[Aaron_S]

Ohhhh!

Why not just call them "gifs" or something? What does "meme" even mean? lol

"gifs" are clips of movies, shows or have some sort of moving part to them.

I can't answer where "meme" came from.

[poison123]

Ah ok then.

[Aaron_S]

The advice was legitimate but the delivery was so poor. I know when someone is being a **** and right now...some people were being dicks. I don't have anything personal towards you or anyone else on this forum.

So take the good advice and leave it at that.

Lori put her advice in what I found to be a funny way. It wasn't an insult. It was a hilarious way to say the "do nots" of show going. It wasn't directed at you. It was directed at an action that isn't a good one.

If we want to get into semantics here, you were the first one to sling insults that people can't read and to go to a learning center since we don't.

[Shann]

I'm pretty sure this thread was about identifying a morph...not reptile diseases. If you guys can't properly learn how to read the English language, try visiting the Sylvan Learning Center page. They have tutoring programs to help with reading. :)

Pretty sure this was the first post I would actually consider rude. If I had been in your place, I would have been glad that people alerted me to the potential risks of bringing my animals to an expo, where they could be exposed to lots of things. But I'm not on this forum to have people compliment me. I'm on this forum to learn how to do what's best for my animals. But maybe that's just me.

EDIT: Oops, Aaron beat me to it :P I take too long reviewing my posts, I guess.

[KORBIN5895]

LOL. Does the forum include birds as well?

You've been there haven't you?

[LiL Zap]

I'm gonna let this one go but I'm gonna make myself clear. The advice was 100% legitimate and I already know the risks of exposing my snake to other ones. I know how people work and some of you were being subliminally rude (if that makes sense). To clarify another thing as well, my snake is 100% healthy and has never given me a real problem. I pay very close attention to her well being and will go the extra mile for her. She is on a great diet and her temps are maintained consistently. I could go on and on but there's no point. You all don't know my snake like I do and she is a very healthy and content animal.

I'm done.

[poison123]

You've been there haven't you?

Lasted about a month.

[KORBIN5895]

Lasted about a month.

They kept editing my posts.......

[Aaron_S]

... her temps are maintained consistently....

Lies. You took her out of her consistent temps to go to a show. Was it air conditioned in that show? Was it cool in the air or was it more humid?

They aren't consistent when the animal is brought out for presumably a few hours into a completely inconsistent environment.

Further, I don't need to know "your snake" I just know snakes in general. You don't need to know an individual snake to know the health hazards that there are when someone takes unnecessary risks with them.

[lady_bug87]

I didn't ask to be pacified whatsoever.

Second of all, I don't care about her morph. I didn't think she was a "rosy" anyway but I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on it just out of curiosity.

You come in here posting a meme instead of offering constructive criticism. Your intentions were not positive in the slightest bit. I called you out on it and now I'm being a baby?

Short answer? Yes.

[lady_bug87]

Lies. You took her out of her consistent temps to go to a show. Was it air conditioned in that show? Was it cool in the air or was it more humid?

They aren't consistent when the animal is brought out for presumably a few hours into a completely inconsistent environment.

Further, I don't need to know "your snake" I just know snakes in general. You don't need to know an individual snake to know the health hazards that there are when someone takes unnecessary risks with them.

Agreed.

He can't claim to go above and beyond to ensure health and then take her where she is in constant stress. The 2 are mutually exclusive.

[Aaron_S]

... You all don't know my snake like I do and she is a very healthy and content animal.

I'm done.

This is because I'm funny and this last sentence totally reminded me of this...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/godzilla99/Memes01/expertmeme.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/godzilla99/media/Memes01/expertmeme.jpg.html)

[EL Ziggy]

Blah blah blah

[KORBIN5895]

Blah blah blah

You know what's really funny? I was going to quote his last post and just put blahblahblah. Apparrently he realized that himself.

[mclund]

This thread is really disappointing and a very poor representation of a forum I had high hopes for. I am not here to defend anyone's actions or comments. Lil Zap crossed the line, but not until most of you backed him into a corner. The thread was completely derailed. Members jumped on here and continued to repeat the same advice over and over. While I quite agree, taking his snake to a show was a poor choice. It's his damn snake and I doubt he really cares at this point what any of your opinions are. I mean really, did I see someone invite him to leave, is that how the group feels? I would like to think we could all act a little more respectful.

[Mikoh4792]

We can all be a happy family holding hands, skipping off into the sunset beneath a rainbow.

lol

[Aaron_S]

This thread is really disappointing and a very poor representation of a forum I had high hopes for. I am not here to defend anyone's actions or comments. Lil Zap crossed the line, but not until most of you backed him into a corner. The thread was completely derailed. Members jumped on here and continued to repeat the same advice over and over. While I quite agree, taking his snake to a show was a poor choice. It's his damn snake and I doubt he really cares at this point what any of your opinions are. I mean really, did I see someone invite him to leave, is that how the group feels? I would like to think we could all act a little more respectful.

Nobody cares if he took our opinion. It's posted to hopefully help others.

Nobody posts just for the original poster.

[mclund]

We can all be a happy family holding hands, skipping off into the sunset beneath a rainbow.

lol

mocking me? how graceful.

[mclund]

Nobody cares if he took our opinion. It's posted to hopefully help others.

Nobody posts just for the original poster.

That is obvious.

[Aaron_S]

That is obvious.

So why did you get your panties in a bunch over it Matt?

Also I find it okay for anyone to invite someone to leave if the person is going to say "getting banned will be good for me". Why stay if you feel this or any place isn't worth your time?

[Mikoh4792]

mocking me? how graceful.

no.. I was just saying we can all get along

[EL Ziggy]

Some people are more concerned with arguing and chastising others than giving useful information in a respectful way. I have no interest in those opinions. This is a great forum with lots of knowledgeable folks. Too bad you have to weed through so much junk. I hope it doesn't discourage others from joining or staying.

[Aaron_S]

... I have no interest in those opinions....

I will say what I said to someone else.

It's silly to ignore useful advice because you may not get along with someone. Pure silliness.

If everyone was liked purely based on the advice and knowledge they had I would be the most liked person here. Too bad a lot of people prefer to listen to the uneducated because they are "nice".

[mclund]

So why did you get your panties in a bunch over it Matt?

It seems to be a trend here. No worries. I will shuffle on quietly.

[EL Ziggy]

The messenger shouldn't contaminate the message. Its not the lines, it's the delivery. If one truly wants to be heard then season your words gracefully. People shouldn't have to be insulted when they're trying to learn and seeking information. They will either find the information elsewhere or end up misinformed. Be part of the solution, not the problem. I see why my parents told me and I tell my son, "If you can't say anything nice, zip it."

[KORBIN5895]

This thread is really disappointing and a very poor representation of a forum I had high hopes for. I am not here to defend anyone's actions or comments. Lil Zap crossed the line, but not until most of you backed him into a corner. The thread was completely derailed. Members jumped on here and continued to repeat the same advice over and over. While I quite agree, taking his snake to a show was a poor choice. It's his damn snake and I doubt he really cares at this point what any of your opinions are. I mean really, did I see someone invite him to leave, is that how the group feels? I would like to think we could all act a little more respectful.

Why actually yes I did invite him to leave. his statement that said he thought a banning would be better than staying led me to believe that another forum I know would be better for his tender feelings, his massive ego and the sickening neglect for his animal.

As you know Matt, some of us are pretty acerbic. Some have great reasons to be and others feel they have great reasons to be. We may get frustrated and we may be short and we may answer in ways that aren't socially acceptable but have you noticed how hard we fight to keep the info on here as fact based as possible? It gets old. Then you get some new member that denies all facts or continuously gives advice crappy advice or always has something negative to say about the forum and members and well poop storm can start pretty quick.

This thread was fairly neutral until he decided to offend everyone because he got offended by a neutral meme,thinks he knows better, wouldn't admit he put his snake in some fairly serious danger and stress or wouldn't admit he was wrong.... Take your pick. He even went as far as to say some were being subliminally rude! How the heck can that even happen with just plain text? That's why people decided yo treat him without respect. He was rude, demeaning, self righteous, insulting and very childish.

[LiL Zap]

Why actually yes I did invite him to leave. his statement that said he thought a banning would be better than staying led me to believe that another forum I know would be better for his tender feelings, his massive ego and the sickening neglect for his animal.

As you know Matt, some of us are pretty acerbic. Some have great reasons to be and others feel they have great reasons to be. We may get frustrated and we may be short and we may answer in ways that aren't socially acceptable but have you noticed how hard we fight to keep the info on here as fact based as possible? It gets old. Then you get some new member that denies all facts or continuously gives advice crappy advice or always has something negative to say about the forum and members and well poop storm can start pretty quick.

This thread was fairly neutral until he decided to offend everyone because he got offended by a neutral meme,thinks he knows better, wouldn't admit he put his snake in some fairly serious danger and stress or wouldn't admit he was wrong.... Take your pick. He even went as far as to say some were being subliminally rude! How the heck can that even happen with just plain text? That's why people decided yo treat him without respect. He was rude, demeaning, self righteous, insulting and very childish.
It's the other way around buddy. You constantly insult other members in different threads on a daily basis and now since you know I won't accept it when it's done to me...I have a massive ego and tender feelings. You make so much sense.

And also, who the hell are you to tell me that I neglect my animals? Because I bring my snake to a reptile show I'm neglectful? What do you call the owners who snakes get mites/diseases when they keep their reptiles 100% at home? Are they neglectful too?

You have a loud mouth behind your keyboard but I'm pretty sure the attitude you have on here you don't display in real life.

[LiL Zap]

You know what's really funny? I was going to quote his last post and just put blahblahblah. Apparrently he realized that himself.
You are the last person to tell anyone that they have an ego. This right here is how you are in every single thread you post in.

[lady_bug87]

It's the other way around buddy. You constantly insult other members in different threads on a daily basis and now since you know I won't accept it when it's done to me...I have a massive ego and tender feelings. You make so much sense.

And also, who the hell are you to tell me that I neglect my animals? Because I bring my snake to a reptile show I'm neglectful? What do you call the owners who snakes get mites/diseases when they keep their reptiles 100% at home? Are they neglectful too?

You have a loud mouth behind your keyboard but I'm pretty sure the attitude you have on here you don't display in real life.

I can tell you that Kevin is the same off this forum as he is on it..

[LiL Zap]

This thread is really disappointing and a very poor representation of a forum I had high hopes for. I am not here to defend anyone's actions or comments. Lil Zap crossed the line, but not until most of you backed him into a corner. The thread was completely derailed. Members jumped on here and continued to repeat the same advice over and over. While I quite agree, taking his snake to a show was a poor choice. It's his damn snake and I doubt he really cares at this point what any of your opinions are. I mean really, did I see someone invite him to leave, is that how the group feels? I would like to think we could all act a little more respectful.
Ding ding ding! I crossed the line when more and more members began to repeat the same thing and become a smartass.

It's ridiculous, I came here just asking for an opinion on a colubrid's morph and now the conclusion is that I'm a neglectful owner who is also really disrespectful. Derailed isn't even the word for this thread.

No wonder ilovemysnake stopped posting. Poor girl got attacked in every thread she made when all she tried to do was gain knowledge.

[Aaron_S]

Ding ding ding! I crossed the line when more and more members began to repeat the same thing and become a smartass.

It's ridiculous, I came here just asking for an opinion on a colubrid's morph and now the conclusion is that I'm a neglectful owner who is also really disrespectful. Derailed isn't even the word for this thread.

No wonder ilovemysnake stopped posting. Poor girl got attacked in every thread she made when all she tried to do was gain knowledge.

Fact: Ilovemysnake wasn't trying to gain knowledge.
Fact: She was offered another forum suited more to her style
Fact: She came right back for real info

Not every forum has to cater to everyone who believes they belong. Show why you belong. It's a community in of itself. The one's who make up the community can fiercely defend it and not have to let everyone play.

[Aaron_S]

The messenger shouldn't contaminate the message. Its not the lines, it's the delivery. If one truly wants to be heard then season your words gracefully. People shouldn't have to be insulted when they're trying to learn and seeking information. They will either find the information elsewhere or end up misinformed. Be part of the solution, not the problem. I see why my parents told me and I tell my son, "If you can't say anything nice, zip it."

I never said anything not nice. I simply stated facts about the potential of the situation your snake was in.

It was a teachable moment as I said.

Here's an interesting thought, you tell everyone to learn how to deliver better but can I not ask you to learn to accept better?

I am a part of the solution because I lay out information that a lot of people refuse to because they are trying to be "encouraging" or "nice". Not everything is sugar coated in this world. Not everything is graceful. Not everyone will deliver a message gracefully and that may just be their style so why are you telling them that they are wrong?

Maybe people need to learn to accept other's styles and be open to that. It's on the recipient to stop letting emotions get in the way of learning if that's what people are TRULY looking for.

[Shann]

You were the first person to get rude. The only post on here that could even be interpreted as possibly a tiny bit rude before yours was the picture, and honestly if you can't take that (because it really wasn't rude, I thought it was kind of funny actually) then you aren't ready to be on the internet. My post, and the others like it, were to try and look out for the well-being of your snake. I would love to hear what you think was "subliminally rude".

People told you it was a bad idea to take your snake to reptile shows because they care about your snake! Why is that so offensive to you, that people would want to protect your animal from getting sick? I would be grateful if someone had pointed out something I was doing that could possibly be hurting my animal! But if you want to keep dragging your animal to shows, exposing it to mites and illnesses, not to mention causing it unneeded stress, that's your choice.

[lady_bug87]

This is pathetic.

If you don't think you did anything wrong with taking her to a show, potentially exposing her to stress, illness, mites, etc. Then what the Sam hell do you care if people disagree with you? What do you care if people think you're an irresponsible keeper? If YOU don't have a problem with it, what does it matter?

You're just pissed that people picked up on the different part of your post than you wanted.

[EL Ziggy]

Moving on...

[KORBIN5895]

It's the other way around buddy. You constantly insult other members in different threads on a daily basis and now since you know I won't accept it when tried ne to me...I have a massive ego and tender feelings. You make so much sense.

And also, who the hell are you to tell me that I neglect my animals? Because I bring my snake to a reptile show I'm neglectful? What do you call the owners who snakes get mites/diseases when they keep their reptiles 100% at home? Are they neglectful too?

You have a loud mouth behind your keyboard but I'm pretty sure the attitude you have on here you don't display in real life.

Since I have such a large ego please tell me what advice I am ignoring that would benefit my animals. Enlighten me to a time when I was corrected for doing something stupid then cried when I didn't hear what I wanted tob hear.

You are upset because people told you that you were wrong and put your snake in a compromising situation for absolutely no reason. Your snake isn't a dog and it doesn't enjoy car rides or walks. If you can't get past yourself to see that those things aren't in its best interest then you obviously have an ego problem.

Risking any animals health for your own amusement is neglectful. Maybe you would rather be called selfish? Or are you honestly going to claim ignorance? Maybe irresponsible fits you better? Regardless of what label you feel most comfortable it still comes down to you not putting your animals health and mental well being first....... I can definitely see how that makes me an *******.....

Lori is right..... I'm not much different in real life. I have no qualms about telling people what I think.

[LiL Zap]

I understand where you guys are coming from...I never denied anything. Yes, a reptile show is risky. Who denied anything? Quote me denying it lol.

It's the delivery but this thread will go on for 100 pages (obvious sarcasm if you guys can't catch that at least). I know I said I'm done earlier but seriously now I'm done with this thread. Thank you all for the advice. I know I'm a neglectful owner since I take my snake to a reptile show. Now you all go tend to your "great husbandry" in plastic bins lol.

[lady_bug87]

"great husbandry" is better than your special blend of condescention and no husbandry

I'm very happy with my extremely healthy, thriving animals and the bins they live in. Let us know how hard it is to get rid of the mites! Lol!

[Mikoh4792]

http://i.imgur.com/7rD20q1.jpg

[LiL Zap]

http://www.kingsnake.com/blog/uploads/monasticsnakecage.jpg
Yes...what a great life to live.

[kwhitlock]

http://www.kingsnake.com/blog/uploads/monasticsnakecage.jpg
Yes...what a great life to live.

Yes, tubs are so bad right? My 4 month old Brazilian's cage. If I could do it all over again, I would have a tub for my Hondo as well. But please, tell me now the glass aquarium is so much greater. Been lurking in this since the start, seriously, the info that was told to you zap, was good info. Then you started out being rude, why not just take the critism like an adult and move on? Why is that such a hard concept?

Honestly, this forum has taught me more basic husbandry and better general care than any other place I have ever been on. If you leave, it won't matter, just hurting yourself and your animal in the long run. And for the love of god, do not bring up ilovemysnake, if she did love her snakes she would re home them.

[Mikoh4792]

Why did this need to turn into a tub debate...

It really doesn't matter what you use in my opinion.

Whether it's a tub, glass tank, plastic/wood enclosure. If the dimensions are 3x2x2, there are two hides and a water bowl...etc what does it matter what material you use for caging?

[KORBIN5895]

Yes, tubs are so bad right? My 4 month old Brazilian's cage. If I could do it all over again, I would have a tub for my Hondo as well. But please, tell me now the glass aquarium is so much greater. Been lurking in this since the start, seriously, the info that was told to you zap, was good info. Then you started out being rude, why not just take the critism like an adult and move on? Why is that such a hard concept?

Honestly, this forum has taught me more basic husbandry and better general care than any other place I have ever been on. If you leave, it won't matter, just hurting yourself and your animal in the long run. And for the love of god, do not bring up ilovemysnake, if she did love her snakes she would re home them.

There are just too many "awww snap!" moments to absorb this all at once.

[Aaron_S]

Why did this need to turn into a tub debate...

It really doesn't matter what you use in my opinion.

Whether it's a tub, glass tank, plastic/wood enclosure. If the dimensions are 3x2x2, there are two hides and a water bowl...etc what does it matter what material you use for caging?

He's trying to use the "it's cruel to put them in tubs. It's not natural!" debate.

[Aaron_S]

There are just too many "awww snap!" moments to absorb this all at once.

True story.

It's literally what I said as I read it.

[kwhitlock]

See meme ;)

[lady_bug87]

I like it.

He has no other defense that's why

[Mikoh4792]

And for the love of god, do not bring up ilovemysnake, if she did love her snakes she would re home them.


http://digichem.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/trees-ba-dum-tss-l-scaled1000.png%3Fw%3D1000%26h%3D863

[lady_bug87]

This has now become my favorite thread.

[LiL Zap]

This has now become my favorite thread.
Lol enjoy. :)

[Aaron_S]

This is what I'm waiting for...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/godzilla99/GIF/boom8fo8ne6xy_zpsb0a6f2ef.gif (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/godzilla99/media/GIF/boom8fo8ne6xy_zpsb0a6f2ef.gif.html)

[LiL Zap]

This is what I'm waiting for...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/godzilla99/GIF/boom8fo8ne6xy_zpsb0a6f2ef.gif (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/godzilla99/media/GIF/boom8fo8ne6xy_zpsb0a6f2ef.gif.html)
Me too lol.

[lady_bug87]

This is what I'm waiting for...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/godzilla99/GIF/boom8fo8ne6xy_zpsb0a6f2ef.gif (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/godzilla99/media/GIF/boom8fo8ne6xy_zpsb0a6f2ef.gif.html)

Easy enough to determine... hey zit, how much whining have you been doing to the mods?

Edit: 'zap' that was a hilarious autocorrect moment...

[LiL Zap]

Easy enough to determine... hey zit, how much whining have you been doing to the mods?
None actually. I just got done feeding my snake and just checking some threads. I'm chilling.

[LiL Zap]

Ok ok ok...NOW I am officially done with this thread. This time I am pretty serious lol.

[Mikoh4792]

Ok ok ok...NOW I am officially done with this thread. This time I am pretty serious lol.

boo! keep it going!

[Aaron_S]

Ok ok ok...NOW I am officially done with this thread. This time I am pretty serious lol.

Meme Violates Forum Rules

[KORBIN5895]

Easy enough to determine... hey zit, how much whining have you been doing to the mods?

Edit: 'zap' that was a hilarious autocorrect moment...

Jay reported my post where I called him out for switching to BC Arboreals four times himself.....