Weird Albino....what do you think???

[dhm198555]

Hey all!!!

So I've had this guy for a little while now. Picked him up in Reading at a show last spring. I'm not real current with boa morphs and honestly just wanted an albino boa to raise as a pet.

The guy I got him from said he bought the boa as a female sharp arabesque but when he received it probed it male and decided it was a normal kahl albino, which is what I bought it as.

I've had numerous people tell me that it is infact a sharp, I don't know and don't really care which strain it is. My real question is he has this strange pattern running down both sides of him body from head to tail. He has no "medallions" to speak of. Just this "chainlink" pattern. And his tail seems a bit different too.

I don't have any plans for him, like I said, just got him as a pet and i'm not hoping he's some amazingly expensive one of a kind or anything. Just curious if anyone has ever seem this before cuz I can't find anything anywhere that looks like him so lemme know what you think! Thanks!

[dhm198555]

aslo just want to point out that for some reason the pics washed out the connecting lines between most of the saddles

[MizCandice]

I have no idea about Boa morphs however he is beautiful, I love that pattern color combo!

[Kid Boa]

This does look like a Sharp arabesque, it may even have some Motley in there. What did the guy originally pay for it, do you know ?

[dhm198555]

I actually don't know exactly what the guy I got him from originally paid but he said it was QUITE a bit more then he was selling him for and seemed EXTREMELY irritated by the whole thing. I guess I'd be pretty annoyed too if I payed over a grand for a snake to find out it's only worth around $200.

Like I said earlier, I really just wanted an albino to raise as a pet, didn't even know albino arabs existed till he mentioned it and had ABSOLUTELY no idea how much they were going for, I was blown away when I looked them up. I ended up only paying $150 for this boa cuz I bought a pair of adult borneo bloods from him too so he knocked $50 off the total and gave me all three for $300. The bloods are awesome too, my husband and I are putting them together this week so hopefully we'll have some AWESOME look offspring from them eventually. Keeping my fingers crossed!

But wow! You really think he's an albino arab? I've actually been playing around with selling him to raise some money for my beardie and gargoyle gecko projects but maybe Ill just hang onto him. He's just an awesome gorgeous snake no matter what he is, super tame and eats whatever you throw at him.

[Kid Boa]

I actually don't know exactly what the guy I got him from originally paid but he said it was QUITE a bit more then he was selling him for and seemed EXTREMELY irritated by the whole thing. I guess I'd be pretty annoyed too if I payed over a grand for a snake to find out it's only worth around $200.

Like I said earlier, I really just wanted an albino to raise as a pet, didn't even know albino arabs existed till he mentioned it and had ABSOLUTELY no idea how much they were going for, I was blown away when I looked them up. I ended up only paying $150 for this boa cuz I bought a pair of adult borneo bloods from him too so he knocked $50 off the total and gave me all three for $300. The bloods are awesome too, my husband and I are putting them together this week so hopefully we'll have some AWESOME look offspring from them eventually. Keeping my fingers crossed!

But wow! You really think he's an albino arab? I've actually been playing around with selling him to raise some money for my beardie and gargoyle gecko projects but maybe Ill just hang onto him. He's just an awesome gorgeous snake no matter what he is, super tame and eats whatever you throw at him.

I do, to be sure, send and email to Doug at Boa Basement. He is a sharp breeding and bought the original sharp line of Boas.

http://www.boabasement.com/

[dhm198555]

Wow! That's so cool! I feel bad now for the guy I bought him from but I really didn't know what he "could" be, was just super excited to finaly be getting my albino and the guy seemed to know what he was talking about so I just can't believe he made such an oops like that! He was actually my birthday present this year from my hubby, he and the bloods.

Thanks for the tip, Im gonna email the guy from boa basement right now!

[sharthun]

Nice boa!!!!!

[Hurrok]

Nice boa, always had a soft spot for the albinos :)

[KORBIN5895]

I would recommend selling it as genetics unknown. If someone pays for a sharp Arab and it doesn't prove to be either you will be black balled really quick.

[Kid Boa]

I would recommend selling it as genetics unknown. If someone pays for a sharp Arab and it doesn't prove to be either you will be black balled really quick.

This is VERY good point KORBIN.

The good thing is she has bought it for a pet only.

[KORBIN5895]

This is VERY good point KORBIN.

The good thing is she has bought it for a pet only.

If you read above she is looking to sell it for a profit.

[Kid Boa]

DOH ! ! !

I guess I missed the part. My bad. :(

[dhm198555]

"But wow! You really think he's an albino arab? I've actually been playing around with selling him to raise some money for my beardie and gargoyle gecko projects but maybe Ill just hang onto him. He's just an awesome gorgeous snake no matter what he is, super tame and eats whatever you throw at him. "

...is what I said. I would never sell something as something without knowing for sure that something IS that kind of something, like any other respectable breeder/hobbyist. Kinda goes without saying I think.

I actualy do have him listed for sale/trade and listed him as exactly what he is, no worries there hun. My ad explains exactly what I did here but any profit or trade value is for an exceptionally nice normal male kahl. BUT like I also said I think i'm just gonna hang onto him, I did buy him as a pet and have become a bit attached. I don't really care about any kind of market value or anything, I'm just curious as to what he could be since I've gotten such strong responses in so many different directions. So no more mentions about selling or profits or anything like that please, just wanna hear peoples opinions on what they think he could (or couldn't) be :)

Thanks!

[formica]

if his genetics are potentially valuable, why not mate him with another interesting female, that way you have a chance of something even more special, to either keep or sell, along with him...if the potential is there, i'd do it, personally. but, i dont know anything about boa morphs, so i'd definitly be doing allot of research before going on that kind of mission


beautiful looking snake whatever his genetics - doe he change color much? would love to see some other shade if he does, keep the pics coming :)

[dhm198555]

That's what I was thinking of doing. Im more the resident "lizard lady" in my house, the hubby works with the snakes and he's raising up a few nice female boas right now so we actually were just talking last night of either maybe putting him with his SUPER SUPER SUPER purple female Guyana or with a very pretty probably super salmon het albino female cuz he has no male for either. I think both combinations would throw some really neat and interesting offspring, only time will tell!!

Yes, he actually changes color A LOT. Sometimes he literally looks like a snow with almost no orange at all and others he looks like a sunglow. The pics I posted are actually him RIGHT before going into shed cuz he's blue at the moment.

I will definitely be posting more pics of him though! Happy to have found a good forum finaly, a lot of the are like graveyards anymore

[KORBIN5895]

"But wow! You really think he's an albino arab? I've actually been playing around with selling him to raise some money for my beardie and gargoyle gecko projects but maybe Ill just hang onto him. He's just an awesome gorgeous snake no matter what he is, super tame and eats whatever you throw at him. "

...is what I said. I would never sell something as something without knowing for sure that something IS that kind of something, like any other respectable breeder/hobbyist. Kinda goes without saying I think.

I actualy do have him listed for sale/trade and listed him as exactly what he is, no worries there hun. My ad explains exactly what I did here but any profit or trade value is for an exceptionally nice normal male kahl. BUT like I also said I think i'm just gonna hang onto him, I did buy him as a pet and have become a bit attached. I don't really care about any kind of market value or anything, I'm just curious as to what he could be since I've gotten such strong responses in so many different directions. So no more mentions about selling or profits or anything like that please, just wanna hear peoples opinions on what they think he could (or couldn't) be :)

Thanks!

Okay hun, so what exactly is he?

[Aaron_S]

That's what I was thinking of doing. Im more the resident "lizard lady" in my house, the hubby works with the snakes and he's raising up a few nice female boas right now so we actually were just talking last night of either maybe putting him with his SUPER SUPER SUPER purple female Guyana or with a very pretty probably super salmon het albino female cuz he has no male for either. I think both combinations would throw some really neat and interesting offspring, only time will tell!!

Yes, he actually changes color A LOT. Sometimes he literally looks like a snow with almost no orange at all and others he looks like a sunglow. The pics I posted are actually him RIGHT before going into shed cuz he's blue at the moment.

I will definitely be posting more pics of him though! Happy to have found a good forum finaly, a lot of the are like graveyards anymore

I would definitely be careful of putting it the guyana just because she has no male currently.

Usually mixing BCC and BCI is frowned upon. Waste of a good BCC.

[Hannibalcanibal]

I would definitely be careful of putting it the guyana just because she has no male currently.

Usually mixing BCC and BCI is frowned upon. Waste of a good BCC.

^this. I'd never mix a BCC. Too good on it's own to need any BCI blood in it.

[formica]

That's what I was thinking of doing. Im more the resident "lizard lady" in my house, the hubby works with the snakes and he's raising up a few nice female boas right now so we actually were just talking last night of either maybe putting him with his SUPER SUPER SUPER purple female Guyana or with a very pretty probably super salmon het albino female cuz he has no male for either. I think both combinations would throw some really neat and interesting offspring, only time will tell!!

Yes, he actually changes color A LOT. Sometimes he literally looks like a snow with almost no orange at all and others he looks like a sunglow. The pics I posted are actually him RIGHT before going into shed cuz he's blue at the moment.

I will definitely be posting more pics of him though! Happy to have found a good forum finaly, a lot of the are like graveyards anymore

indeed, could be interesting :) one thing i would say, is ensure that the genetic line is well documented - i disagree with the naysayers on crossing species, as long as it is done responsibly and honestly, and with care to select buyers of the offspring based on their integrity rather than the price they are prepared to pay


please do post pics, love boa's myself, cant wait to have the opportunity to start a collection of rare pure localities and crosses/morphs to go along with my current hypo hogg and rainbow :)

[Aaron_S]

indeed, could be interesting :) one thing i would say, is ensure that the genetic line is well documented - i disagree with the naysayers on crossing species, as long as it is done responsibly and honestly, and with care to select buyers of the offspring based on their integrity rather than the price they are prepared to pay


please do post pics, love boa's myself, cant wait to have the opportunity to start a collection of rare pure localities and crosses/morphs to go along with my current hypo hogg and rainbow :)

How will you know if they are rare PURE localities since you're all for crosses? How do you know someone isn't lying about it? All it takes is ONE person to ruin everything by faking a cross for a pure.

[lady_bug87]

if his genetics are potentially valuable, why not mate him with another interesting female, that way you have a chance of something even more special, to either keep or sell, along with him...if the potential is there, i'd do it, personally. but, i dont know anything about boa morphs, so i'd definitly be doing allot of research before going on that kind of mission


beautiful looking snake whatever his genetics - doe he change color much? would love to see some other shade if he does, keep the pics coming :)

indeed, could be interesting :) one thing i would say, is ensure that the genetic line is well documented - i disagree with the naysayers on crossing species, as long as it is done responsibly and honestly, and with care to select buyers of the offspring based on their integrity rather than the price they are prepared to pay


please do post pics, love boa's myself, cant wait to have the opportunity to start a collection of rare pure localities and crosses/morphs to go along with my current hypo hogg and rainbow :)

I hate everything about this.

If she doesn't know the genetics of this male and she breeds it a) how will she know what to pair it with to get the best litter and b) how is she going to be able to properly identify offspring?,

Mixing and matching is the reason that finding a good PURE animal is so hard because there are unscrupulous breedings by people who have no idea what they're doing and the ones who do mix Bcc and Bci are intentionally wasting genes and muddying up lines

[dhm198555]

Whoa whoa whoa, okay, lets simmer down everyone.....

I apologize for sparking such an argument, I just wanted some opinions on my boa. Geesh!

I think this is a good time to stop the discussion about "crossing" bci and bcc, this is a topic that everyone is entitled to their own opinion on and no one person is completely right or completely wrong. Boas are boas so why is it SUCH an issue to cross the locals occasionally? That'd be like saying it's wrong to mix a Doberman with a shepard. But at the same time I respect that many people prefer pure localities for their own specific types of beauty and its worrisome that any crosses in the mix will "muddy" up bloodlines.

Both are completely legitimate arguments but in my opinion they are both right, theyre opinions. Not facts.

SO ANYWAY lets all count to ten, give a big group hug and be happy reptile lovers!!!

[dhm198555]

And thankyou formica for all your positive feedback :) I really enjoyed reading your posts:) Do you have any nice shots of your hogg and rainbow? Those are two of my FAVORITE species and two I used to keep once upon a time. Would definitely love to ad a few to the "hoard" again!

[Mikoh4792]

Boas are boas so why is it SUCH an issue to cross the locals occasionally?

For me it's because of different care requirements.

BCI and BCC have different requirements so if you mix them how do you know what conditions best suit them? Reptiles can't be compared to mammals. Mammals are warm-blooded and do not depend on a controlled environment so much as ectotherms do.

For example some locales of BCI come from arid desert environments(mexican boas such as hypo sonorans, tarahumara..etc). Others come from tropical environments. If you mix the two how can you know what they need to thrive?

[dhm198555]

"sigh" I was just trying to give examples of both sides of this argument.....

I completely agree with you when it comes to crossing animals that come from COMPLETELY different environments. I think what is really being discussed here are locals that are quite close in origin. A Guyana redtain isn't a Guyana because of it's genes. Its a Guyana because of manmade country borders.

If you don't like "crosses" then don't buy them! Locals are FAR from hard to find, I've been keeping and breeding reptiles for 20 years and have never had a hard time finding ANY local of redtail.

Can we PLEASE drop this topic now? I just wanted to have a fun chat with some fellow reptiles lovers and show off a few pics of my albino.....

[Mikoh4792]

Well you asked that question, so I gave you my answer. Besides my posts here have been peaceful, I don't see the reason for the attitude.

I think what is really being discussed here are locals that are quite close in origin.

Actually the statement I was replying to was very vague, so forgive me if I took it for what it was. You did say boas were boas...

[dhm198555]

"sigh" I apologize, it's late here and my 6 month old has decided that "no mom, I am not quite ready to go to bed. But I AM ready to be as cranky as possible for you:)".

You have been peaceful and I do appreciate it, I guess I was more having a 'tude with a lot of the other more...hostile sounding posts. I just hate when a thread talking about one thing somehow turn into an entirely different topic, usually involving an argument, and the original purpose of the thread is lost amongst the mire of vague indirect insults and a hootin and a hollerin..

So hows about this: Can I ask you what you think of my albino? :D

[KORBIN5895]

Seems my question has been ignored so I'll ask again..... What exactly is your boa?

[dhm198555]

Umm...what? I don't understand what youre asking? I don't know what he is exactly, that's what my original post was about. What is it your wanting me to say?

[poison123]

Boas are boas so why is it SUCH an issue to cross the locals occasionally?

I don't have much to add to the thread but I just wanted to say that BCI's and BCC's are different supspecies not localities :)

[dhm198555]

okay, think im done with this thread. and this forum. thanks for making me feel so incredibly welcome everyone. I would like to thank those of you who actually responded to my original post though...."sigh yet again":(

[KORBIN5895]

Umm...what? I don't understand what youre asking? I don't know what he is exactly, that's what my original post was about. What is it your wanting me to say?

I know you don't know what he is. You made that clear in your opening post but when I advised you against selling it as anything specific you said that was a given and this:


I actualy do have him listed for sale/trade and listed him as exactly what he is, no worries there hun.

What I'm getting at is that when you back peddled about flipping it to fund your lizards your stories didn't line up. Just saying.

[KORBIN5895]

okay, think im done with this thread. and this forum. thanks for making me feel so incredibly welcome everyone. I would like to thank those of you who actually responded to my original post though...."sigh yet again":(

Good bye....