A monster was killed!!

[daiyoukai]

Originally posted by SCReptiles
Once these things become verified man-eaters, they have to be put down. Sure capturing them and putting them in a zoo sounds good on paper, but someone still has to care for them in captivity and by this point they have already began to associate people with food. The risk is too gate to keepers. Enough keepers are injured as is, we don’t need to put them in the position of cleaning up for man-eaters. One slip and fall, keeper is dead. The risk does not justify the outcome.

I have a theory I want to put forth, would like you guys more experienced in crocs then I am to comment. Crocs growth through out the duration of their life. So, the larger crocs must be very old. Seems many of these crocs are known man-eaters. Case in point the world record salty listed in the record book. He was a known man-eater. And for the minute we will assume this report is true that this one was a man-eater. Look at the teeth of this guy, you know he was old. I am thinking perhaps these animals are at the end of their lives and not quite as strong as they once were. Taking down a wildebeest or buffalo is a pretty tall order. Perhaps the larger, older crocs take to man-eating because they are an easy target and put up little resistance. Any other opinions on this?

Yes, old lions and other animals will hunt humans because we would be a nice size meal and have little to no natural deffence against an attack. These animals are all opertunistic so giving the opertunity to kill a human for consumption I dont see any reason not to.

[KrokadilyanGuy3]

(can reptile brain functions even comprehend that kind of thought)

Not all reptiles however, crocodilians do posse actual thought process.


The man eating bit is a bit far off on my idea. Crocodilians of this size and particularly smaller will associate a human as food. Not because we are human but because we are easy targets. An alligator more often than not will not eat a human, however, if they grew large enough to pin point us as food, I'm sure they would. As this animal did. As most crocodilians will once they reach optimal size.

I agree with you Chuck. This beast was old indeed and figured out humans were easy targets. However, I do not think humans were it's only food source; Just part of the menu. The teeth look fine to me; Capable of holding on to it's prey. Catching, holding on and down right over powering it's prey is all that's needed and unless the animal has some unforeseen health problems, he looks to be capable of doing all of this.

As someone already said, Crocodilians, particularly Niles do take note to feeding regimens and I'm thinking this guy figured if one came, more is sure to follow. I do not believe he picked out humans because of his weaknesses nor ours. Just Pinned a pattern, nothing more or less.

Should it have been killed?
No.

Should it have been relocated?
Pointless.

Captivity would have really been it's only logical survival, and not knowing the full story, I believe the animal was killed because these people were lazy. They were capable of removing the animal, transporting the animal, and craning the animal, but couldn't do it while it were alive?

The animal did live a long and obviously healthy life, too bad humans aren't as smart as we like to think we are. I mean seriously, 3 people killed in the same general location?

Zane

[SCReptiles]

Originally posted by KrokadilyanGuy3


Should it have been killed?
No.

That is easy for us to say over here in the US. but would feel the same way if it was your mother, sister, or wife that this thing ate? i would say probably not. we don't understand how it is to live that poor. the river this guy was in may have been there only water source. so they gave up their lives just trying to get water for cooking, washing, drinking. its a shame it had to die, but if it was killing people in Chattanooga, TN....i would have been one of the hunters. i love reptiles as much as anyone here, but i still feel human life is more precious.

[KrokadilyanGuy3]

Human life may be precious, but stupidity isn't.

Being the fact children were killed, I buy stupidity.
3 random killings by the same croc..
Unless the 2 kids were with their mother, then I buy the fact the croc did not kill 3 people.

It's not hard to spot a croc -A 16'er to say the least- I don't care what National Geographic says, and people in these native lands do know how to coexist with these animals, Since most of these people living among the River and most of the other limited parts Niles inhabit are tribes anyway, and have developed skills to by pass being eaten.

So no. The animal should not have been killed. I would not kill any of my crocodilians if a family member was killed. They know there's crocs in these ponds.
If this animal was killing people in Oklahoma, I'd be the first to try and catch it, If I'm going to waste effort on something, I might as well be completely happy about the out come.

Let's say these people were just the poor, it's not cheap hiring hunters, a crane, and any supplies they needed to get the animal.
A baited water trap, Flat bed truck, and gas money would have been cheaper with a clean out come.

I wish I had the whole story..

Zane

[daiyoukai]

Originally posted by KrokadilyanGuy3
Human life may be precious, but stupidity isn't.

Being the fact children were killed, I buy stupidity.
3 random killings by the same croc..
Unless the 2 kids were with their mother, then I buy the fact the croc did not kill 3 people.

It's not hard to spot a croc -A 16'er to say the least- I don't care what National Geographic says, and people in these native lands do know how to coexist with these animals, Since most of these people living among the River and most of the other limited parts Niles inhabit are tribes anyway, and have developed skills to by pass being eaten.

So no. The animal should not have been killed. I would not kill any of my crocodilians if a family member was killed. They know there's crocs in these ponds.
If this animal was killing people in Oklahoma, I'd be the first to try and catch it, If I'm going to waste effort on something, I might as well be completely happy about the out come.

Let's say these people were just the poor, it's not cheap hiring hunters, a crane, and any supplies they needed to get the animal.
A baited water trap, Flat bed truck, and gas money would have been cheaper with a clean out come.

I wish I had the whole story..

Zane

I agree fully with what you just said. And as someone else mentioned eariler if this is the same croc that was taped while being cut open and having human limbs removed, those limbs were from caucasion people. Not natives. So more then likely if this is the same croc the people it ate where torrests/nn "native" people. (dont know that much about the nile but Im pretty sure there isnt that many towns conected to it where your avarage african would be needing to collect water) and dont most tribes have posts in the water where they get their water to stop something like a croc from getting to them?

[nita]

Originally posted by SCReptiles
Taking down a wildebeest or buffalo is a pretty tall order. Perhaps the larger, older crocs take to man-eating because they are an easy target and put up little resistance. Any other opinions on this?

Yup, you are right. It is the same as Tigers and other man-eaters. When they get too old to hunt the usual prey they turn to humans, we are much easier to catch. Of course preying at the edges of villages is common for the cats as they will take the weakest and easiest to capture, naturally children. Smaller meals but it is better than nothing to the animal. I saw one documentary on this that stated that on general the only tigers that will eat humans are old ones, if a young tiger kills a man in defense of himself he won't eat it, they seem to not like the taste but the old ones will hunt people because it is all they can catch. I would assume this croc was in the same boat, sit and wait at the watering hole for something slow and small enough not to resist much to come up.

[Rikki]

Its a shame people murdered this amazing creature. Some times people forget, we invaded there area, you should not kill a creature for doing what comes natural.... As you asked above, if it was my family, or me that was killed I would not want the animals murdered.... I love my family, but if one dies that does not mean others have to as well

[JimmyDavid]

I would kill an animal if he WAS TRYING to kill a friend or family, i would not search for him to hunt him down if it had already happened. It's as stupid as cutting down a tree in revenge because a branch fell on my head.
BoAddict, i'm not sure i understood your point!?

[Rikki]

I agree with your completly Jimmy. I would harm, or even kill an animal if needed to dave a life of another animal or person or as in the event you provided, though not simply to get revenge.

Well put :thumbsup:

[SCReptiles]

Human life may be precious, but stupidity isn't.

Ok, so I agree with that statement, however, if that is the only source of water, they are not being stupid, they are just trying to survive. The same way they have been for thousands of years. They are not encroaching on the crocs, they have coincided with them for generations. Crocs leave them alone, they leave the crocs alone. Croc turns man-eater, they kill it.

I am completely amazed, I am only hoping no one really believes this nonsense about leaving man-eaters alone so they can continue killing. Surely you guys are only saying that cause you think it is what the other environmentalist want to hear. Ok, so if a croc kills an idiot that is trying to kill it or catch it, yeah, leave the croc be, I am all for that. But once they begin to stalk and kill women who are trying to collect water to feed their family, its time to load the Rigby 416 and put out some bait. I love crocs I have kept them on and off for about 15 year….but I wouldn’t lose a minute’s sleep to blow the brains out of a man-eater. I love reptiles, but I love my fellow man even more.

[Rikki]

As said before, the croc was only doing what comes natural, you are making it seem like the croc is a man eater, its not. He did what comes natural, and I highlt doubt the crocs intentions are to kill as many humans as possible, we invaded THERE land

[Kyle Barker]

Like a living dinosaur. Too bad we've populated and destroyed this planet beyond recongnition so that a creature of that magnitude can no longer find a place to live. This planet would be so much cooler with out us on it.

[SCReptiles]

As said before, the croc was only doing what comes natural,

Good point, and the family and friends of the people it killed was doing what came natural. So stop crying about it.

you are making it seem like the croc is a man eater, its not.

It ate 3 kids and 2 women (not kidding) before they could get him.

ok, there is my evidence that it was, where is your evidence that it wasn’t?

we invaded THERE land

Absolutely not! The land belongs to us. We were giving the land and dominion over it and the beasts that dwell in it. The site owners will not let me say more about that, but my brothers and sisters know what I am talking about.

[Rikki]

The croc's were here long before man....

Man Eater- One who consumes man upon natural diet.

Humans are not in a croc's natural diet dude. You dont know the given situation, maybe a nest was near by and the croc felt threatend. Or was simply hungry, croc's dont usually think before they grad for food, he didnt know better. If we did not invade there land, THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.

[SCReptiles]

Man Eater- One who consumes man upon natural diet.

a murderer is one who murders. If I kill one person, I am a murder. If this thing eats one person, it is a man-eater. This thing ate 5, that we know of, rest assured there were more. You are making no sense, I say it’s a man-eater cause it stalked, killed, and ate people. You say its not, just cause you don’t want it to be. The facts are clear. This croc has took to eating people. If left to its own accord, it would have killed more people. If captured, it would be a constant treat to its keepers and any other people it came in contact with. Remember when Andrew hit south FL and released all those reptiles and birds? Suppose you put this thing is a zoo or zoo-like place. Another hurricane comes thru and you put a 16 foot man-eater in the local river? I mean catch enough hell from the general public keeping non-killers.