monitor has gas? - Page 3

varanus1 · 02-14-13, 01:44 PM

My other question would be when its removed from its enclosure for hour a day is it on empty and no meal inside it to digest when not at optimal temps to digest ?

concinnusman · 02-14-13, 01:44 PM

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i always have to question why is it at subpar levels if it is the case

It isn't subpar necessarily. It indeed can be something you're feeding him that's the problem. Human beings lack a digestive enzyme for fully breaking down a type of starch in beans. This results in a sugar making it all the way to the lower intestine where it gets consumed by bacteria there, which produces gas. Think of this stuff as "beano" for reptiles

concinnusman · 02-14-13, 01:48 PM

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My other question would be when its removed from its enclosure for hour a day is it on empty and no meal inside it to digest when not at optimal temps to digest ?

That's a good question. I know that if snakes have a meal in them and they are kept too cool the meal can ferment in their stomach and cause them to bloat which usually makes them throw up since snakes can't burp.

dinosaurdammit · 02-14-13, 03:04 PM

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My other question would be when its removed from its enclosure for hour a day is it on empty and no meal inside it to digest when not at optimal temps to digest ?

He is fed in his set up in the afternoon and isnt on the run with a fresh meal

KORBIN5895 · 02-14-13, 03:08 PM

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That's a probiotic gel; Concinnus is suggesting that the monitor's intestinal flora is at a subpar level. IF that is the issue, then the gel would be fixing the problem rather than simply treating symptoms

That isn't the issue Sean. That is a symptom of something else being wrong. If you fix the problem the monitor should fix itself. If the monitor isn't fixing itself then there is an issue that needs corrected.

varanus1 · 02-14-13, 03:17 PM

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He is fed in his set up in the afternoon and isnt on the run with a fresh meal

I would trial and error or many things, stop taking him out for a week or 2,take away a certain food type but not rodents for a week or 2 and go from their.

dinosaurdammit · 02-14-13, 03:20 PM

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I would trial and error or many things, stop taking him out for a week or 2,take away a certain food type but not rodents for a week or 2 and go from their.

would it be ok to try JUST rats for one week and see what happens? Alone with the above.

varanus1 · 02-14-13, 03:24 PM

you can do it anyway you like but unless you remove one item at a time you and others will not know for the future if this ever came up with someone else what caused it

concinnusman · 02-14-13, 03:24 PM

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That is a symptom of something else being wrong.

It's simply a symptom of poor digestion. What is causing it is anyone's guess but I would suspect it's something specific that he's eating. In any case the probiotic might help but so could simply eliminating the food item that is causing it. If he has this problem no matter what he eats then you need to figure out why.

varanus1 · 02-14-13, 03:28 PM

It can be a combo of what its eating and not being able to digest it properly temps wise. Removing from cage to walk around can also be the 2nd part so 2 things might be at play here to rule out.

Let us know the out come

KORBIN5895 · 02-14-13, 03:34 PM

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It's simply a symptom of poor digestion. What is causing it is anyone's guess but I would suspect it's something specific that he's eating. In any case the probiotic might help but so could simply eliminating the food item that is causing it. If he has this problem no matter what he eats then you need to figure out why.

You could be right but I highly doubt it's" indigestion" . Reptiles in general can eat just about anything when kept in proper conditions. I myself am not involved with monitors but I have seen way too many knowledgeable people say that a properly supported monitor is capable of eating just about anything without adverse side effects. Look at what snakes can digest and their digestive system isn't as advanced as a monitor's.

Claiming this is "indigestion" is like saying a snake died because it ate some substrate and became impacted. Anyone that buys into substrate impaction as the problem in those types of death really need to give their head a shake and start thinking instead of blindly following the blind.;

Giving this one probiotics is like giving pain killers for a broken arm.

dinosaurdammit · 02-14-13, 03:53 PM

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It can be a combo of what its eating and not being able to digest it properly temps wise. Removing from cage to walk around can also be the 2nd part so 2 things might be at play here to rule out.

Let us know the out come

it just started almost over night, i noticed he looked a bit distended one day then fine then BOOM the next day he was bloated and if you tap him it sounds like "thuk thuk" You can hear the air. It happened around monday that it was small then tuesday it was BOOM. He has always had an hour a day to get out and roam, and its not a whole hour and he lets me know when he wants back in, he goes to the door and lets me know. All he does when out is just walks around, if i had to guess this bugger would walk MILES a day if allowed an open range.

after some light troubles i think i got the temps back right again, i went through a flood that caused some of his lights to break and had to get new fixtures because the humidity shorted them out :/
hot spot ground one- 131
hot spot ground two- 153
uvb/uva powersun light - 100
ambient hot end- 94
burrow one- 75
burrow two- 73
burrow three- cannot reach
cool end ambient- 82

humidity 77%

jarich · 02-14-13, 04:23 PM

All sorts of fun stuff in this thread!

My recommendation DD would be to take the squid out of the equation first. There are many people who feed their monitors eggs without any issue regarding gas or anything else. However, I have never heard of anyone feeding squid, and as its an odd food source for a monitor, that seems statistically much more likely to be the candidate for gas.

concinnusman · 02-14-13, 04:24 PM

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Giving this one probiotics is like giving pain killers for a broken arm.

Giving pain killers won't cure a broken arm but sometimes giving a probiotic to a reptile that is having bloating problems cures it. I've seen snakes that had chronic bloating / vomiting problems be cured by a dose of probiotics. It's worth a try at least since it can't really do any harm even if it doesn't help.

murrindindi · 02-14-13, 04:26 PM

Hi, I would still like to see a few photos of the setup and monitor, is that possible?
If the animal is outside the enclosure for anything more than a very few minutes it`s core body temp will drop, and obviously the smaller the mass the quicker it falls. What`s the ambient temp in the room when he/she is out?