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Old 09-07-04, 08:10 PM   #31
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Old 09-07-04, 08:44 PM   #32
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Well I have a buddy that has a male pastel and I have 5 adult females. Oh and by the way I've never paid more than $200 for an adult female. I got two small adults a few weeks back for $150 ea. Any way, my buddy is sending me his male and I'm pairing it with my females, incubating the eggs and getting the hatchlings feeding and we are splitting each clutch 50/50. We are both comfortable with that deal. I am any way!
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No, mykee, just too lazy to read the rest of the post before i type my answer.
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Old 09-08-04, 01:41 PM   #34
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Trust is the big one, Corey Woods posted a do's and don'ts 'contract' of sorts regarding breeding loans, it was a while back, and very informative. Lots to take into consideration, what if the entire clutch doesn't yeild a single pastel?
Hey Mykee, could you point me to where this information could be found? I'd love to see Corey's post on this topic.

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Old 09-08-04, 02:15 PM   #35
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Well I have a buddy that has a male pastel and I have 5 adult females. [...snip...] Any way, my buddy is sending me his male and I'm pairing it with my females, incubating the eggs and getting the hatchlings feeding and we are splitting each clutch 50/50. We are both comfortable with that deal. I am any way!
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I'm comfortable with the setup also. Trevor and I are within 3 hours distance, so we can drive over to strangle each other if need be.. we also know each other quite well and have actually done this before on a much smaller project than the pastel project. This helps build trust and also provides both parties to see if such a setup works for them... starting with a smaller project is better for everyone because risks are lower.

As stated by many in this thread, the key word in this whole thing is "trust". If anybody notices Trevor and I aren't online anymore (or one or the other), perhaps check with the RCMP (Canadian police force), maybe we strangled each other

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Old 09-08-04, 02:39 PM   #36
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A buddy and I are in on an albino bci project together and it seems like it will work just fine. I have an albino male as well as a het albino female... he also has a female het for albino and we still have a couple of years before they mature to work out details, but of course he could grab an albino (the whole litter wouldn't exist without his female!!!)
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Old 09-08-04, 06:10 PM   #37
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Trevor/Bristen, you guys are lucky to have the whole 'trust issue' solved. I personally, being the skeptic I am wouldn't trust anyone to work a breeding loan with unless I was the one to incubate-hatch-assist-feed (if need be), for no extra cost. Too many variables for me. I've been approached, but the trust just wasn't there.
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Old 09-12-04, 01:43 AM   #38
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Kjay, if you've found pastels for $1000, point me in the general vicinity and sign me up for a couple hundred of them.
http://market.GUESSWHERE.com/detail.php?cat=1&de=2681

Time to put your money where your mouth is. And that includes a normal sibling female to boot!!!
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Here is a copy of what I wrote on December 29 2002.

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showt...breeding+loans

I'll explain how breeding loans work. I was b*tched out extensively for this in the past but oh well.

If the animals are of equal value the split is 50/50. If there is an odd animal in the litter it goes to the breeder who breeds the animals and hatches the eggs.

If one of the animals are of higher value the standard split is 2/3, 1/3. The 2/3's of the clutch goes to the person with the higher valued animal and the odd one out (if there is an odd number of offspring produced) goes to the person breeding and hatching out the eggs (which is usually the person with the higher valued animal).

When I first started offering to do breeding loans with people and splitting the offspring 2/3, 1/3 people thought I was trying to rip people off. But, as Jeff said above if I'm going to take a higher valued animal and breed it to a $300 normal I'm going to get more than 50% of the clutch. If I were to offer to breed my pied male to someones normal female I maybe inclined to offer them 1 male offspring out of the clutch considering het pied males run for $2500 US (which I think is more than enough compensation for lending me a $300 female on breeding loan!!).

Breeding loans are a tricky subject and a lot of "friends" aren't friends after a breeding loan goes sour so make sure everything is worked out before the animals are exchanged. Here are some of the things you'll have to work out before hand:

If the animal on breeding loan dies in your care who is responsible for that animal? IMHO if the animal died and it was not your fault then no compensation is needed as the way I look at it if it was properly taken care of it would have died regardless of who's place it was at.

If the animals are produced is the breeder responsible to sell them and then split the cash......or are you split up the animals to do with whatever each person pleases?

When the offsping are produced when are they split up? Is the breeder responsible to get them feeding before they are split up or are they produced and then split up right away? When they are split up what happens if the sex ratio is way off......lets say 6.1????? Are they sexed before splitting them up at all??

When is the breeder animal returned?

If the breeder animal comes down with a sickness who is responsible for the vet bills?

If you would like a word of advice only do breeding loans with people you can fully trust. If by chance the animal dies, gets sick or no offspring are produced the person on the other end always feels like they are getting the shaft and they start to think you are lieing to them to try and screw them out of money.

Hope this helps,
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This was posted on May 6 2004.

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showt...breeding+loans

Most breeding loans work as follows:

If the snakes are of equal value you split the litter 50/50

If one snake is of higher value you split the litter 67/33.

If their is an odd number of offspring you give the odd one out to the person breeding the animals.

For a breeding loan to work you really have to trust each other. Otherwise one party feels like they are getting screwed. It is easier to setup a breeding loan with splitting offspring as that way if no offspring are produced you both get nothing.

As for your case above since you guys setting on a sum of money I was say that since the money was paid out and the person did get what they paid for (a breeder animal) I would say that the money should NOT be returned. A breeder animal was provided and as far as that animal goes he did his job (breed the females). If the females decided not to produce that is upto the females.

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Old 09-17-04, 09:11 PM   #41
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Hhw: AGAIN, unless that animal was listed for $400 or less, it's still going to cost over $1000 CANADIAN to get him here. Sheeesh!!
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Dr. Peter Kim in Burnaby B.C. is selling his Pastel males with a normal female sibling for $1000 CANADIAN.
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