getting a beardie to eat pinkies..

[manville]

come on guys get over it...it really isnt that big of a deal..

[norman]

No kidding.

[chamitch]

your telling me. haha.

i still would like to read the aussie herp studie though. everyone talks about it but i have yet to see the study.

thanks

[Dragon_Slave]

Have you tried taking your own time to search, chamitch? I mean, do you really expect everything to be handed to you on a silver platter? If you want it so bad, look for it.

And YES, it IS a big deal. We are talking about the LIFE OF AN ANIMAL! I think we can consider that a big deal. You are crazy if you think otherwise. You guys just don't understand how important this topic really is.

[norman]

We totally understand that it's important. That's why people ask questions. To learn from people with more knowledge. This is a form of research. That is how people learn. Unless you were born with an innate and intimate knowledge of the digestive system of the bearded dragon? Otherwise, you learned from other people (Were they as rude to you?) Anyway, the guy learned, I'm sure he's grateful for the new information, so let it go.

[daver676]

Wow Dragon_Slave. Calm down a bit. Your "stupidity" comments and spelling and grammar observations were out of line. So he wants to feed is Beardie a pinkie. He'll be the one regreting it, not you. Chill out.

[Dragon_Slave]

Norman: It doesn't matter, he didn't learn a dang thing... obviously. He is still going to feed pinkies to his dragon, he's not going to listen. And I'm sorry I made an honest observation, but it's hard to comprehend his posts when they are so horribly written.

[chamitch]

i searched all of teh australian herp societys and didnt find a single bit on pinkies. just found melisa somthings care sheet(she has writen books prob heard of her) and she actually said it is better to feed mice(even hoppers) as worms and crks can cause empaction eaiser. i think thats crazy but obviously she has had experience with it. as it is one of the most detailed caresheets that i have read

here is the site http://www.ahs.org.au/

and here is the rest of the herp sites in aussie http://www.australianreptilesonline.com

also this link from the astralian herp society http://www.**************/australia/australia.htm and the couple caresheets i read on there even say u can feed pinkies. i find this all very strange and have a open mind. if anyone can shed some light on this just for curiousitys sake that woudl be awesome

i dunno. has anyone actually read that article or is it just a rumor? someone must have just might be so deep i cant find it.

peace.

[Dragon_Slave]

I have never read the article myself. I have friends online, however, who speak directly to members of the Australian Bearded Dragon Society. I will try to get you a link or some info that leads to it, but it's going to take me a little while to find it. I will ask my friends tonight and see what they can do.

Melissa Kaplan, yes. But when was her care sheet written? She may or may not have read the current information and had time to edit her care sheet. I'm sure that you will find lots of books and things that say it's ok, but they were most likely written BEFORE the current research, and when I say current I mean within the past year.

[Dark_Angel_25]

Do not take anything Melissa Kaplan says as any idication of wht you should do, there is a thread here somewhere about her, and it is NOT good her advise is SERIOUSLY outdated, and WRONG, but I digress... only one comment made in this whole thread bothered me, and it was this one made by Chamitch:

"there is no end all be all for animals. or anything.
just knowing the effects and probs that can occur is teh key."

well chamitch I have to say, you have been told numberous times about the effects and problems that can occur from feeding your beardie rodents, and yet you still insist on arguing that it is all hearsay. the bottom line is this: even if you feed your beardie a mouse a month, IT ALL BUILDS UP. so OVER TIME, it WILL cause damamge. Why "Play Devil's Advocate" as you stated? Why risk your animals health well being and possibly life over this? Is it really worth it?

Your beardie can't speak for itself, BUT if it COULD I am sure it would tell you that it isn't up to you to decide what is good for him, I think you should take all the advice given you, and STOP feeding pinkies to him. The risk outweights any benefits (if any).

This is just my opinion.

[drewlowe]

Originally posted by Dark_Angel_25
Do not take anything Melissa Kaplan says as any idication of wht you should do, there is a thread here somewhere about her, and it is NOT good her advise is SERIOUSLY outdated, and WRONG, but I digress...

I agree dark angel!!!
I hate when people link to her care sheets, or qoute them. Anybody with experince will tell you her most of her care sheets are completly misguiding (to put it nicely).

I'm going to approch this from another view point since the impactation thing isn't working. Adult beardies should be feed mostly salads!!!! Pinkies are HIGH in fat. If you continue to feed your beardies pinkies you run a good chance that they could develop fatty liver disease. Yeah true you won't see the results in a week or a month, but when they get older you will. We're not just talking about short picture here. Think about the overall health for the LIFE of your beardie.

As i said in the post about sand. It's OUR job as the owner to properly care for these animals!!!

Jamie

[drewlowe]

disregard this post.

[SerpentLust]

Jesus Dragon_Slave calm down, if you would read over the threads, he wanted info, you told him it was bad, after a nice debate, he just want information now and he's making an effort to search for it. Insulting his intelligence and his grammar was uncalled for. He won't learn a thing if he's being called out and degraded. There's a difference between educating and well, what just happened here. People are entitled to their opinions, now that he's heard opinions, I'm sure he'll think twice about feeding pinkies (if it's hazardous, which I have no idea of as I've never kept lizards)

I personally have NO opinion on the subject since I have never kept lizards of any kind. My snakes love mice though

I just think this would have been a much better thread if there was more support and less bashing...

That's my $0.02

Jenn

[chamitch]

yea i relize that mellisa's care sheet is crazy. i even said that. as she suggested to even feed adult mice. thats nuts.

im tottaly not saying its good or people should do it.

just so u guys know i am not feeding my beardie pinkies. i tried it once and i foudn a way to feed beardies new foods. thats why i posted this thread

also i want people to actually read this study from australlia. most people havnt read it and just do what another people tell them.(just like now) they have no idea how it was conducted or anything. so as soon as someone finds it please post so everyone can read it.

oh and i have a question also. does anyone have information of the ph and structure of a beardies stomache?
and how come chitin from mealies and supers seem to pass right through and not accumulate over time?and calcium breaks down fairly readily in acid.but understand, pinkies are high in fat and alot of different proteins which could cause numerous other problems rather then impaction.

peace

[drewlowe]

Originally posted by chamitch


oh and i have a question also. does anyone have information of the ph and structure of a beardies stomache?
and how come chitin from mealies and supers seem to pass right through and not accumulate over time?and calcium breaks down fairly readily in acid.but understand, pinkies are high in fat and alot of different proteins which could cause numerous other problems rather then impaction.

peace

I do not EVER feed my beardies mealies. Chitlen does build up and can cause impactation in beardies. My beardies have never been fed a mealworm thier entire life, even though i breed them for my leos. I may sound like an overprotective mother, but i feel i'm obligated to give them the best care i can.

An adult beardie should not be getting that many insects to begin with. 80% of their diet should be salads/with 5% being fruits (non acidic). My beardies may get insects once or twice a month. Every insect i feed is well gutloaded (that's the best thing to do). I feed crickets, butterworms, silkworms, waxworms, and hornworms. Durning breeding season i will allow my female to eat extra butterworms because they are the insect with the most calcium and i have found it benifical to her, but my male doesn't get any extra because he doesn't need that extra calcium like she would.

Jamie