Feed in the enclosure or out of it? - Page 3

jjhill001 · 04-28-15, 05:34 PM

I think that it's all a matter of personal preference. I think that impaction risks increase if a reptile is a neonate. If a small snake swallows a whole chunk of mulch they are much more likely to have an issue than if a full grown snake ingests some inadvertently. Hydration is obviously an issue as well. Incidentally neonate a also have the most problems with this as well.

RAD House · 04-28-15, 07:44 PM

Well Jerry if you want to pluck hairs I would have to argue that it is your opinion based on a whole lot of experience. An opinion that I respect, but still an opinion. Also is newspaper really that good for snake bedding? I have read mixed opinions about our local newspaper being petroleum based, and that is enough to scare me off of it. Not to mention even soy bean based inks can use ingredients like sulfur and a petroleum based resin.

SSSSnakes · 04-28-15, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MesoCorney

Well Jerry if you want to pluck hairs I would have to argue that it is your opinion based on a whole lot of experience. An opinion that I respect, but still an opinion. Also is newspaper really that good for snake bedding? I have read mixed opinions about our local newspaper being petroleum based, and that is enough to scare me off of it. Not to mention even soy bean based inks can use ingredients like sulfur and a petroleum based resin.

Experience is experience, I state the results of my experience and add no opinion to it. I have used newspaper for over 30 years and have no bad results with it. Personally, I don't care if people want to learn from my experience or not, all my snakes are fine. But I learn from other people's experiences. I don't see were I was plucking hairs, I was just participating in this thread, attacking no one, but obviously you like to hear yourself talk when people disagree with you, so go on.

RAD House · 04-28-15, 08:36 PM

All I said I wish there was more of a consensus, and you felt the need to make it clear you are above opinion and any other information I have read. Had you not said anything, I had already held your opinion above the others here. Like I said I tend to obsess about things, but I know my fallacies well. Also I don't do well with people that need to push their authority on me. If you want to have a discussion about the difference between opinion and fact we can, but I don't think it is applicable to this thread. Feel free to write me a private message. If helps you forget it, I am aware you are much more knowledgeable than me about reptile care.

Derek1 · 04-28-15, 08:46 PM

Used to be a outty but now I'm a Inny, no Bruce Jenner pun intended. Inny is the way to go.

**EL Ziggy** · 04-28-15, 08:54 PM

Nice metaphor Derek.

**millertime89** · 04-28-15, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MesoCorney

All I said I wish there was more of a consensus, and you felt the need to make it clear you are above opinion and any other information I have read. Had you not said anything, I had already held your opinion above the others here. Like I said I tend to obsess about things, but I know my fallacies well. Also I don't do well with people that need to push their authority on me. If you want to have a discussion about the difference between opinion and fact we can, but I don't think it is applicable to this thread. Feel free to write me a private message. If helps you forget it, I am aware you are much more knowledgeable than me about reptile care.

There is consensus among people with tons of experience. The only people that really advocate for feeding outside of the enclosure is from people that are still relatively new to the hobby or only have experience with a few species or a few animals at a time.

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Originally Posted by Derek1

Used to be a outty but now I'm a Inny, no Bruce Jenner pun intended. Inny is the way to go.

I chuckled.

MDT · 04-28-15, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MesoCorney

Like I said I tend to obsess about things.

MC....try not to obsess man....it seems lots of folks really overthink this stuff and make it harder than it needs to be.

RAD House · 04-28-15, 10:28 PM

Ok I hear you millertime. I guess then do you see any wind falls about changing their routines? Or should I just go for it?

RAD House · 04-28-15, 10:29 PM

Thanks for understanding MDT, but it is not always that easy.

**millertime89** · 04-28-15, 11:13 PM

I would just go for it.

Nuxodom · 04-29-15, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MesoCorney

There seems to be two very differing opinions about this topic and they seem to highly segregated by source. Almost all care guides I read suggest feeding in a separate container, but most if not all on forums seem to agree that feeding in the tank is best. I can't understand why there is such a difference of opinions and why the two sources seem so split. Initially due to the care guide advice and now due to my personal preference, I have always fed in a separate container.

I used to feed in-tank, decades ago, but it did make my snakes aggressive when I took them out. Now I feed out of tank and have never had a regurgitation issue. The only issue is: they are aggressive when getting them out of the feeding bin, but if you just be patient and start to pick them up, they quickly learn it's you, not food, and become passive.

I'd rather them show the aggressive posture only when I take them out of the feeding bin rather than every time I take them out of their home enclosure; but, that's just my preference.

**lady_bug87** · 04-30-15, 03:57 AM

I haven't fed out of a bin or enclosure in years. I don't want to move a hungry boa. Here's how I get around the "aggression" issue (which is false since there isn't much of one)

I handle during the day and I always feed at night. I never mix the 2.

When it comes to impaction, I use newspaper mostly so I don't worry to much about it now. That being said, impaction is a husbandry/ food size issue. Not a substrate issue.

That being said, if someone is worried about it make sure the food item is dry when offered, and consider moving towards a substrate like coco husk.

Princess-dad · 05-23-15, 08:04 PM

Hi after reading the reasoning behind feeding in the enclosure as a posed to out I tried it . Worked really well for my bci not so much for the corn though . The corn acted stressed about being out in the larger open area and refused to eat , next day in the bin he normally eats in he attacked the new offering and eat when I put the bins lid on .