something wrong with hatchling????? - Page 2

shaunyboy · 06-04-12, 07:28 PM

as mojoherp said NOT all hatchlings make it mate

it may well have kinked/fused spine and be stuck in it's present shape,imo you will find out over the next few days

imo,if this is the case,then it needs euthanized

if you could post clearer pictures,it would give us all a better idea of what your dealing with

re umbilical cord
do NOT cut it,IF a snake needs help with the cord,imo it's best you tie it,it will drop off that way

cheers shaun

jaleely · 06-04-12, 07:31 PM

wow. haven't seen this yet. How's it going? More pictures would be great, at least for the learning experience it provides for us. It's facinating, even if sometimes it's "not cool" you know? lol
I hope he's okay. I hope he survives! I wish i knew what you meant by knotted. Better pictures would help.

shaunyboy · 06-04-12, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jaleely

I wish i knew what you meant by knotted. Better pictures would help.

Jaleely,if you look at the 2nd picture down,you can see it's " literally " tied in the first stage,of the type of knot,you would use to tie your shoe laces with

cheers shaun

Snakefood · 06-04-12, 07:50 PM

yup, grab a piece of string, and tie it in a single knot, and that's what I mean by "knotted".

he has already separated himself from the umbilical cord, and I was able to "untie" him. there is some reddish coloring around where umbilical comes from the body, but no real hemmoraging (as in "insides hanging out"), however, there is also no voluntary movement from where the knot was to the tail, so the baby is moving itself around by it's front 1/3 and dragging the last 1/3.

if movement does not come back then I will probably have to euthanise as it's vent is in the "paralysed" portion of the body.

Really sucks though, I know you lose some, but this being my first clutch, I was hoping they would all come out ok.

shaunyboy · 06-04-12, 08:00 PM

[quote=Snakefood;737243]yup, grab a piece of string, and tie it in a single knot, and that's what I mean by "knotted".

he has already separated himself from the umbilical cord, and I was able to "untie" him. there is some reddish coloring around where umbilical comes from the body, but no real hemmoraging (as in "insides hanging out"), however, there is also no voluntary movement from where the knot was to the tail, so the baby is moving itself around by it's front 1/3 and dragging the last 1/3.

if movement does not come back then I will probably have to euthanise as it's vent is in the "paralysed" portion of the body.

Really sucks though, I know you lose some, but this being my first clutch, I was hoping they would all come out ok.[/quote/]

^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^
imo,you have a handle on things mate

i'm sorry to hear the bottom half of its body appears paralised,as said it may get full movement,if it doesn't,then i agree
it should be euthanized

Snakefood · 06-04-12, 08:06 PM

I hope movement does come back, like a circulation thing. If it does, I will keep him/her as a pet only, maybe name it Knotty or something. LOL

but I don't want to get ahead of myself, we'll have to wait and see if it will get movement back.

I wonder how long to wait until I decide movement is not coming back??

BTW, I meant it has movement in the front 2/3 of it's body, and none in the rear 1/3

MojoHerps · 06-04-12, 08:13 PM

I'm sorry you are dealing with this. I suspect the snake developed in the egg in that knot and that it's back third could not develop properly. It is likely it could not poop normally so would not survive. I think I have only seen this in hatchlings that never hatch on their own. I'd wait a few days to make a decision.

Snakefood · 06-04-12, 08:22 PM

so if in a few days that portion of his body is not mobile, then it never will be and he won't be able to poop??

Therefore in the above stated scenario, euthanization would be in order??

he is really active otherwise, good movement in the front 2/3 of his body!!

GarterPython · 06-04-12, 08:31 PM

What does euthanization mean? Does that mean killing it? I will probably breed in 2-3 years and want to know this stuff incase I ever have to do it.

Snakefood · 06-04-12, 08:33 PM

yes, euthanization is defined as "ending a life as peacefully and non-painfully as possible"

GarterPython · 06-04-12, 08:34 PM

^How do you do that?

Snakefood · 06-04-12, 08:37 PM

many ways. with snakes it usually involves decapitation, crushing the head, or freezing (however, there is some debate on how humane freezing is with cold blooded creatures)

with mammals it involves a bullet in the head or overdosing with a barbituate such as euthanol

jaleely · 06-04-12, 09:35 PM

I have terrible eyes. I just can't see it.
But.....
I don't envy your decision. It broke out of the egg early, suggesting a will to survive, but it just may not be possible for it to thrive.

I also don't understand the paralysis...if it had no control, wouldn't that just mean it freely would poop on it's own, rather than not be able to poop?

BarelyBreathing · 06-04-12, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jaleely

I also don't understand the paralysis...if it had no control, wouldn't that just mean it freely would poop on it's own, rather than not be able to poop?

I thought the same thing...

MojoHerps · 06-05-12, 06:48 AM

If the muscles in the bowel are paralyzed too then he will not be able to poop. You need more than gravity to pass stool and gravity doesn't help a snake anyway!