Switching Live to Frozen

[bugger]

Actually what I heard to do with young snakes that won't eat non live is to get the shed skin from an anole and put it around the feeder, so the snake smells the anole, then let them eat it and they will associate the frozen scent with the anole skin and will take it after than.
It may take a few trys, but I've been told it works.
This isn't a cruel way to do it, and it supposedly works, so why not give it a go. Start asking for the anole molts MMM mmm yummy

[Kmef07]

Yeah, and they used to claim that circumcising infant boys didn't hurt them either!

It doesn't hurt them. I watched my son's and they give them three shots to numb it. and we haven't evolved to get circumsized like the anoles have evolved to loose their tails. so im going to have to throw that arguement out. it is irrelevant. haha.

[siz]

Originally Posted by Kmef07

No the anoles use it as a saftey measure. in the wild when they are attacked by the tail it just pops off and then it grows back. they don't think that it is painful on the animal. when it is being pulled the nerves get cut off and then they don't feel anything. it is some sort of anestetic they produce in their bodies. i think i read once that their body creats an overwhelming amount of endorfins so if that is true it would actually feel good. along with the instinct and adrenaline that is pumping to get away im sure they dont' feel it.

It doesn't "feel good". I don't know about pain, but dropping a tail puts an incredible amount of stress on reptiles. It is a defence mechanism but it's not like it happens often. Sometimes tails don't grow back or are slighty deformed, they never return to normal.
I think pulling of an anole's tail is cruel. I see no problem with feeder lizards but ripping off an animal's tail - even if it can be dropped - is awful. I prefer the shed skin idea

[Kmef07]

Hey i didn't say it was good.....but i was saying what i read once.

[Chu'Wuti]

I watched my son's and they give them three shots to numb it.

Yeah, nowadays they give little boys shots to numb the pain (bet those shots feel great, huh?).

But in the past--about 25 years ago--they did not give shots; they just cut. They did that to my oldest son, telling me he couldn't feel the pain because his nervous system hadn't developed yet.

As he screamed the entire time and for quite awhile afterwards, I assumed the **** doctor didn't know what he was talking about.

Clamping your legs together yet?

[Kmef07]

Clamping your legs together yet?

naw already done when i was a baby so nothing to worry about now and i don't really have any memories about it lol......

And ya he really didn't like the shots but i dunno i think if something has evolved for it then it can't be that bad.

[Chu'Wuti]

i think if something has evolved for it then it can't be that bad.

Maybe. I think I'm more in line with Siz's perspective on this one, though!

Glad you don't remember your early trauma! LOL

[Kmef07]

Me too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good thing doctors have steady hands though