Snake Killing Snare for sale online!!! - Page 2

BAZ · 03-07-05, 10:03 AM

If people are going to use this to kill snakes they want to eat then fine. I can even understand it if they have no other option but to kill a venemous and dangerous snake in their back garden if it poses a threat to their young children. In many cases snakes can be removed without harming the snake but hey.. lets not get all emotional about this. As said before.. we kill rats and u have pro rat epople thinking we are barbaric. We eat meat and snake is meat to some people.

This is just a product and a tool to kill snakes the quickest way... its people who will use it properly or misuse it.

Herpkingdom · 03-07-05, 10:10 AM

OK, add this product to this event where hundreds of snakes are killed every year. Times the event by say 50 and you might come close to the number of these events held every year, each responsible for the slaughter of hundreds of rattlesnakes, ratsnakes, kingsnakes, and others as well.

http://www.reptileeducation.com/roundup2004.html

SaIiLdVaEnR · 03-07-05, 10:19 AM

Are you a vegetarian herpkingdom?

You are preaching to the choir. Many of us are snake enthusiasts (I am an invertebrate enthusiast but I know as well) and thus we have a decent idea of what is going on as well. This is not new knowledge to us.

evilbitch11 · 03-07-05, 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by SaIiLdVaEnR
Are you a vegetarian herpkingdom?

You are preaching to the choir. Many of us are snake enthusiasts (I am an invertebrate enthusiast but I know as well) and thus we have a decent idea of what is going on as well. This is not new knowledge to us.

well i just joined to tell you what i think. what are you saying?? it is better to ignore the situation? you are certain that there is noway to stop it? or is it easier for you to just think that way? you call yourself a reptile lover? you seem more mad at jim for trying to stop this then you are at the people making it! out of site out of mind type thing, huh? well sorry but i find you pitiful!

noahspets · 03-07-05, 11:23 AM

So, I totally understand where EVERYONE is coming from. I understand that what they say in there ads is not nice for us to hear. But I also kind of agree with SaIiLdVaEnR. There is a lot of other animals that get killed everyday. So what does make this so different? Just because we like live snakes, doens't mean everyone does. I like snakes as much as everyone else here; I don't like seeing ads like that but there is probably nothing anyone can do to stop it. Look at all the people that dont like the slaughter of cows. They havent been able to stop it.

Herpkingdom · 03-07-05, 12:06 PM

That is where you are wrong. Look into some of PETA's operations as well as Green Peace.

If your statement holds true to every group, then the animals these groups fight to protect are not worth it either.

How about the fishing nets with teh hooks, those are now banned as a result of these groups and their efforts. I am not in anyway condoning these groups and all of their efforts, but making a point.

Some of us feel strongly that this is a bad product. This is our opinion and as such we are entitled to it. It is not my place to tell you your opinion is wrong, and I ask you to dothe same for those of us who believe this product is one we can do without.

Lowell · 03-07-05, 12:12 PM

Well, I tried to let this pass, but as usual it appears that the few with some common sense are gonna get swarmed by the ignorant.

Does anyone here ever look in the mirror and apply the same moral yardstick to themselves that they wave so beligerantly at others? Obviously not! You may call yourself a reptile lover, but you had better make sure you've thoroughly examined your own actions and those of your peers before you start shooting your collective mouths off about some perceived injustice.

Boycotts? Protests? Petitions? You have got to be kidding! Do you honestly think you're going to make an impact on sales by making such a fuss? On the contrary, you're drawing so much attention to the product that the dealer will likely send you a thank you note for all the free publicity! Add to that the possibility that your own euthanasia practices, eating habits, clothing choices, etc be turned and used against you, and the circus is really underway! All we need now is some more clowns in the little car!

The same people that would employ a device such as this will have been using a rake or a rock up to this point. What are you doing to stop them? Oh right, we're all out there trying to educate the ignorant masses on the error of their ways, aren't we? Maybe if you channelled this blind rage into more constructive and positive efforts you might actually begin treating the cause instead of the symptom. Not every neighborhood park has a whizzbang like Stevo on call to gently relocate errant snakes and other potentially harmful fauna.

I don't like this sort of product or promotion any more than you do, but considering the alternatives I don't totally disagree with it either. As long as we keep encroaching on habitat, refusing to accept the inevitable consequences, this situation will repeat itself.

Of course, I'm sure we can all accept the untimely deaths of a few young humans in the interim as this method of threat management has been deemed inhumane... by the same people that would rather see the animals sentenced to a life of incarceration in a glass cell. Solitary confinement, save the odd conjugal visit, for the sole purpose of amusing and entertaining their captors. Fed a homogonous diet of prekilled rodents, regardless of their prey of choice, force fed if they don't comply. Hmmm...Decisions, decisions.

It still baffles me how so many people here are so willing to share their opinions with such enthusiasm without taking any other factors into consideration. Your own hobby is under threat from groups sharing this exact mindset and you scratch your heads wondering how they can be so narrow minded and uninformed....Maybe we should take a little time out to conduct some research on our own motives and actions before launching another knee jerk, pseudologic fuelled crusade against the unjust.

Lowell

HeatherRose · 03-07-05, 12:14 PM

Great post Lowell...

I'm in agreement with pretty much everyone... (for once

)

I'm sure people on rat enthusiast forums think we're absolute monsters, just as some of us regard these guys. We whack rats over hard surfaces and feed them off. :flick: However, I certainly do not agree with killing an animal in its natural habitat 'just because it's there'. I think it's a shame that many native species of snakes will be caught in these traps.

noahspets · 03-07-05, 12:26 PM

HerpKingdom - Not once did I tell you that your opinion was wrong. I was just simply stating mine. Thats great that you feel so strongly that this is not a good product. I do too. I was just saying that not everything can be good and perfect in this world. It just doesn't happen. And I definately agree with Lowell. Sending them emails will not do anything. They will probably sit at their desks and laugh while reading and think about the money that they are making. Do you really think they care about what a few herp enthusiasts think?

Herpkingdom · 03-07-05, 12:38 PM

Did any of you click through and read the facts of what is done at a Rattlesnake Roundup? Did you see the picture of the pits and the rows of table where the snakes are slaughtered?

I do not where snakeskin boots or belts, i don't have a snakeskin hat or wallets.

Everyone has their stand on a given issue, this is mine. If I feel I can do something to prevent this type of product from being sold, then I will.

You do not have to do anything. Sit there and laugh at the people posting how thye feel about this item.

We are a community of people who like reptiles and amphibians. Where there are legislatures (spelling) promoting bans on our hobby we all take a stand, why is this any different? Because it is a product being sold and not something that would affect your right to keep snakes?

galad · 03-07-05, 12:39 PM

lmfao.. Lowell you pretty much took the words right out of my mouth, ya bugger. lol

People never look in the mirror Lowell, you should no that. IF they did could you imagine how different out society would be. There might actually be peace. But of course this will never happen, people are too full of them selves. They think so highly of themselves. Rarley do you see people helping eachother these days. No one has any respect for anyone but them-selves if they even have that.

But as far as the snakesnare goes. This deviced is maily promoted for residential uses. For parks, neiborhoods, and play grounds.
Do all of you against this device mean to tell me youd rather see dead children, then some dead snakes?
You talk about being inhumane?

Do you think a hawk looking for snakes as food is thinking
"Ok, now ill make sure to kill it as quick as possible so I dont hurt it too much."? Or any animals or prey for that matter. lol

Those last two paragraphs were right on the money Lowell.

Not that i am against keeping reptiles in captivity i myself own chameleons. As long as they are looked after properly, and not stuck into a tiny bare enclosure.
Some of you guys take things like this way to seriously and really need to lighten up abit.
Your actually comming off as a bunch of hippie tree huggers.

Not that you are but that what it would seem like to anyone new to the forum.

peace

ws

galad · 03-07-05, 12:47 PM

Sorry for the second post.

So herpkindom your telling us that you would rather see children get bitten and die. Rather then have some dead snakes?

Like lowell said people using this product were probably killing snakes before in a less humane way, so whats the big deal, now they have a more humane way of going about it.

As far as the ratlesnake wound up goes i dont think anyone here really agrees with it. But there really isnt anything we can do about it. People have been protesting it for decades.
If your going to get mad at something like that then you might as well go protest at all the slaughter houses in the country as well.

joey · 03-07-05, 12:59 PM

I agree with Lowell and I'm a " hippie tree huggers" and damn proud of it.

BWSmith · 03-07-05, 01:38 PM

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As far as the rattlesnake wound up goes i don't think anyone here really agrees with it. But there really isn't anything we can do about it. People have been protesting it for decades.

Actually, the main voice of protest is from those that I have dubbed "Couch Potato Conservationists". Those people that scream "That is not right!" but do nothing to stop it. There is amazingly little protest at these events. Why? People are lazy and these are held in little towns in the middle of nowhere. It is the attitude of "there is nothing we can do about it" that has let these prevail for so long. There are efforts in the works to end these events. And I applaud everyone that contributed to the Roundup Rescue last year. It was a fantastic success. Some people take initiative rather than accepting defeat.

Back to the issue at hand, the snare. Without getting into the debate too much. I will also mention that killing nonvenomous snakes is illegal in many states. This instrument is not discriminate on venomous or harmless.

The comparison to cows or feeder rodents is ludicrous. Those are animals that are bred for the specific purpose of food. These are wild animals. There is no viable comparison.

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But as far as the snakesnare goes. This deviced is maily promoted for residential uses. For parks, neiborhoods, and play grounds. Do all of you against this device mean to tell me youd rather see dead children, then some dead snakes?

It is quite obvious that you are uneducated in regards to legitimate envenomations.

I also find the comparison of keeping reptiles in captivity to decapitating wild animals in thier habitat to be seriously flawed.

Even if you disagree with protesting the snare, at least they are being proactive in something. That is more than I can say for the majority of the herp community.

evilbitch11 · 03-07-05, 02:24 PM

there are many people fighting for cows and pigs etc. both my daughters are vegetarians and have been for many years. it is worth it to them because they save 93 animals per year. this is worth it if it only saves one snake. i am amazed at all the sites involved in this and is fighting to stop it. this is the only site that feels it is fine. i'm embarrassed to even have joined this place. there are many people fighting for other animals and they dont give up. i guess snakes dont deserve the same thing. well i for one will fight for them and so will many other people. and this site is called sSnakesS? wow!