Florida kingsnake?

[Ace]

Yeah it was proved to be it's own species through DNA testing at the University of Florida

I just went to the CNAH website to check on this, and according to them it's still not a recognized specie/subspecie. It also says it was last updated 1/11/05. It should be listed if it has indeed been recognized for 2-3 years.

Also, an interesting note I found, seems Knoblochi's are now considered their own species, Lampropeltis Knoblochi, and no longer a Pyro. Man, that's going to take some getting used to!! LOL

CNAH Snake Taxonomy

[Brandon Osborne]

To be honest, I doubt they actually keep up with what's truly going on. I would imagine, most of there info is hearsay. Cornsnakes were recently chaged as well. They are no longer labled as elaphe. This change occured about a year or so ago and they are now called pantherophis.......I think.

Brandon Osborne

[Ace]

Which they do have noted....Elaphe guttata
The way they update is, every few years they make a booklet up with all the current taxonomical changes at that time. (last 2002) Then put THOSE on the page. If there are any changes after that point, but before the release of the newer booklet (do out 2006 I believe) they make notations that are marked with either the blue or red notepads. When the next booklet is released the site is changed to match the updated booklet.
So, even though the site says "elaphe gutatta," it is noted that it has been changed to pantherophis. When the new booklet is out the site will be changed to pantherophis.
If "meansi" was accepted, I would expect to see a note explaining that by the main group of getula. And there isn't any.

[Feliciano]

Hello, I want to see imagenes of Florida Kingsnake wild.

Greetings

[Brandon Osborne]

Originally posted by Ace
Which they do have noted....Elaphe guttata
The way they update is, every few years they make a booklet up with all the current taxonomical changes at that time. (last 2002) Then put THOSE on the page. If there are any changes after that point, but before the release of the newer booklet (do out 2006 I believe) they make notations that are marked with either the blue or red notepads. When the next booklet is released the site is changed to match the updated booklet.
So, even though the site says "elaphe gutatta," it is noted that it has been changed to pantherophis. When the new booklet is out the site will be changed to pantherophis.
If "meansi" was accepted, I would expect to see a note explaining that by the main group of getula. And there isn't any.

Ace, I don't think the name change was made before 2002. I'm pretty sure it was accepted in the last 18 months, so that may have some effect on why it's not on there..........but it is the new accepted name. Personally, I didn't see anything wrong with goini, but the "purists" did. lol.

Brandon

[crimsonking]

Tim, the episode of Snake Wranglers (Nat'l Geo) had Kenny Krysko and Bruce Means out cavorting in the ANF. Krysko had planned on naming the ssp. for Means. I guess it has been done.
However it is specific to the "pure" form which they surely didn't find for the show. He did say that the one they "found" (it was a staged affair with a friend's animal) was an intergrade.
What startled me the most was Dr. Means was shown at Daytona obtaining a pair from Gulf Coast Reptiles and it was implied that he may use those for breeding and possibly RELEASE into the wild.
I hope to hunt the area this spring and find ANY king!
:Mark

[Tim and Julie B]

Oh man your so lucky. Yeah that's the episode I saw. It was really cool. Yeah that one was an intergrade, the roadkill was a pure one though (i think that's what they said). So that was staged.......oh you ruined the magic! lol. I sure hope that species can make a come back. So the true meansi and goini are different locals so there for are different snakes with recognized latin names? Wow this is as confusing as the whole it's a brooksi now it's not a brooksi oh now it's a brooksi again. scientist should just sit down and figure it out. TB

[bighillreptiles]

I have it taped 24hr marathon of snake ranglers lol

[Ace]

I didn't see anything wrong with goini, but the "purists" did. lol.

Well, I BELIEVE Krysko did away with "Goini" by explaining they were intergrades. So, he had to name it something else if it is legit.
Personally, I'd like to see them have their own ssp. status. But, I need more proof than "it was on TV" (no offense to anyone).
Does anyone have the report OR ANYTHING where it states they have been excepted as a ssp.?

[Brandon Osborne]

I think it's written in Kysko's papers. I'm not sure, but Keith Hillson could tell you exactly where it can be found.

[bighillreptiles]

hay Brandon do you ship into Canada ?? I hope so

[Brandon Osborne]

Not yet Paul, but I've got friends that would do it for me. I'm sure I'll be sending lots of stuff up there this season. Let's just hope it goes better than 04 did.

Brandon

[bighillreptiles]

Cool keep I will keep that in mind