Incectivors? rough grass snake?

[peterm15]

Originally posted by herpslave
Why are you against a long snake? Corns do not get larger than your arm if that's what your thinking. They usually don't even get close to that.

its not that im against them... just at the time i have alot of animals and very little room... i have a 10 gal tank that im gonna use for a few small lizzards (anoles ect) and im gonna build a 20- 30 gallon tank depending on the hight... i just always like an animal to have alot of room... my leapord geckos tank is going to be (im in the mists of building) a 2 story 25 galon tank... right now there in the 25 gal without a second story... and my chameleon is in a up side down L shaped screen tank 2'w x 6'h x 5' L at the top and 3' at the bottom... so i would just like a smaller snake that can be housed in a smaller tank.... as well as to get me used to snakes.... ive never owned one so i dont wanna dive in head first... start small then work my way up...

the childrens python seems like a very good handleable snake but i also like the idea of a water snake but whats musking.... im gonna try to find out now... i gotta weigh my options and figure out what im gonna do... thanks everyone

[zero&stich]

Hello,
To add to possiable small snake lists Look into Spotted Pythons. Unless of corse someone already suggested that and I missed it. Maybe Kenyan Sand boas to?

As a side note, if my memory serves me right rough/smooth green snakes are not just insectivores. Like garters they will except earthworms, small frogs, salamanders, smaller species of reptiles(possiably anoles), small rodents, feeder fish(avoid), "grubs", meal worms(depends on size of animal), trevo worms, wax worms and I think thats pretty much it as far as diet.

They are diurnal and is a species of snakes that does require UVB. Since most of the animals they consume in the wild do have much in a way of a skeletal structure(little calcium).

Anyway sry for rambling :P

the childrens python seems like a very good handleable snake but i also like the idea of a water snake but whats musking....

but whats musking

Musking, um, best way i know how to describe it is like a milky white substance, kinda like thin pea soup on your hands. Pending an the animal some snakes when they musk, the smell is enough to gag a magot!! It is a defense mechanism. Instead of biting, they release this "pea soup" and the idea behind is, in the snakes mind, "maybe if i smell like a dead skunk, the animal wont approach or eat me cause ill smell really horriable".

again if my memory serves me right, indigo snakes can be refered to as the "stinking godess" when they musk.

most people will agree on this one, i personally rather be tagged by a nonvenomous animal, with the expection of the large pythons, then being musked.

[thunder]

stinking goddess actually refers to an asian species, the king ratsnake

[Linds]

I'd probably recommend Rosies and Sand Boas if you really want something small. Rosy Boas and Sand Boas can all be comfortably housed in a ten gallon aquarium their whole lives. If you wanted it to be super-spacious and decorative, you could go as far as a 15 or 20. Sand boas however will do better in the smaller sizes, and you will likely never see it unless you take it out, as they spend the majority of their time under the substrate, you might see a nose sticking out. Rosy Boas can be really fun display snakes. They are supposedly fossorial, but if you give them branches and whatnot, they will usually spend a lot of time climbing around. They are typically slow-moving and very calm. Easy to handle, easy to care for. These snakes actually thrive in aquariums. They prefer a dry environment, only give them water once in a blue moon (mine get a small dish of water once a month). They come in all sorts of colour and pattern variations... blues, reds, black, white, orange, etc.

Here's a pic of one of my adult female Rosy Boas for size comparison...
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