New Bigger Problem, Need Help ASAP - Page 2

anacondaman · 07-11-04, 12:01 PM

the freezer is the best way...but try as hard as possible to feed it first....thats the thing about capivity..it allows animals to beat the odds

adam

doenoe · 07-11-04, 01:21 PM

Offcourse im gonna try it first. Dont know for sure if i dont try it first.
He still looks pretty active, tail in a nice curl and walking around. Its pretty difficult for him to walk, since he steps on the pedipalp. But i guess i just have to wait till that comes off.
Just gonna wait 2 or 3 days before feeding, to get him a bit relaxed (if thats possible, i know i would freak the whole time if my arm was just hanging there..........but thats me)
Anyways, thanks again for your concern and offcourse i will keep you all updated on his situation.
Greetz Daan

reptile boi · 07-11-04, 07:50 PM

Aidan,
Actually, yes, i have tried approaching scorpions, i have found that the large emps n asian forests will put up a fight and if it doesnt work, they will result in running away.

Thanks,
Ben

skinheaddave · 07-11-04, 09:21 PM

I hand off crickets to scorpions now and then. Mostly with forceps, but occasionaly just with my hands. I have an Opisthacanthus asper that I just love to feed by hand because he will grab the cricket with his chela. And as for running away etc., it is going to entirely depend on the species, individual etc. I have found adult Pandinus to be quite easy to deal with on the whole, while the juvies can be a handful.

Anyhow, back to the original question. Scorpions will scavange and can definitely use their chelicera without assistance. Anyone who has ever seen a scorpion eating while holding two more crickets, one in each chela, knows this. Or if you startle a scorpion that is eating and it opts not to drop its food, but instead run with it in its cheliceral grasp while using its pedipalps for balance. Anyhow, I would advise you try ripping the head off a large cricket and dropping it in front of the scorpion. Don't smoosh it into its face or anything, just place it nearby. Then, obeserve discreetly (blacklight if you've got it) every few minutes and see if it will eat. If not, leave it for morning and see if the cricket is still there. Then get back to us with the details and for further suggestions.

Cheers,
Dave

reptile boi · 07-12-04, 11:06 AM

thank you dave. At least you know what your talking about and dont jump to conclusions and tell some1 that their scorp is going to die and to throw it in the freezer just because its missing its pedipalps, ignorant people like that just sets me off.

Thanks,
Ben

anacondaman · 07-13-04, 12:33 PM

reptile boi..i hope u didnt think i was being ignorant....i do believe he should try to feed it in every way possible....but uve gotta agree that if the scorpion doesnt eat in about 2 weeks time it should be uthanized. i do believ u wer able to handfeed your scorpions...its just from my experiance with scorpions they get stressed way to easy when there is a hand in their face. this scorpion will never be able to be put in a communal tank (doesnt matter anyways) and im not sure but it mite also have trouble digging and lifting objects to get under to hide.

also i have a question. if the scorpion has no claws, will it stress much easier due to lack of a defensive weapon? i know it has a tail..but the species in question uses its claws more.

my 2 cents

adam

SaIiLdVaEnR · 07-13-04, 11:08 PM

Reptile boi, calm down. It's opinions from everyone not 2 people. If you don't like it, leave and stop your whining.

Aidan

skinheaddave · 07-13-04, 11:32 PM

I would like to put in my two cents on the issue of stress, euthanization etc. I would not even CONSIDER killing a scorpion unless it actually showed signs of distress. As long as it moves around normally and does not become emaciated, don't worry too much about it. If it is in good condition now, it could go months without eating and without suffering. These are not mammals -- they can go incredibly long times without food.

As for stress, while death is not stressful, it is far from a reassuring solution. I would certainly like to think that if I lost my hands people would not want to kill me because my life was not as convenient as it used to be. And yes, that is anthropomorphic -- but that should only strengthen my point. The scorpion is either going to do okay in the conditions you provide or it isn't. If you provide it with water to drink and try to get it eating pre-killed food (quite a good possibility) then I see no reason why it shouldn't continue to thrive. Even if it does not eat, you may as well let it live until it shows signs of distress or emaciation. In my opinion, people are too quick to euthenize bugs for the same reason that they should be particularily slow to make that decision.

Cheers,
Dave

anacondaman · 07-14-04, 11:02 AM

thats scorpions only purpose in life was to breed. its sad to see it wont be able to do that again.

Dragoon · 07-14-04, 12:33 PM

Dave,
You are wonderful!
~hug~
D.

skinheaddave · 07-14-04, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by anacondaman
thats scorpions only purpose in life was to breed. its sad to see it wont be able to do that again.

While I see what you are saying, that isn't really a sufficient reason to kill it. Should I go through my whole collection and kill any specimen that I am unlikely to be able to find a mate for? A handful of months ago I layed my hands on a H.cyaneus that was brought in with some H.longimanus. Shoudl I have killed him on the spot because I couldn't find a female?

Cheers,
Dave

anacondaman · 07-14-04, 05:20 PM

oh..i didnt meen it in any other way than it is sad...by no meens should the animal be killed on terms because it cant breed. im sorry if u took me the wong the way.

adam

skinheaddave · 07-14-04, 08:28 PM

Ah. Well, I suppose it is somewhat sad.

Cheers,
Dave