Are their any Kings or Milks that can live in a 15 qt as an adult?

[ruthupton]

The question of snake housing is something that I have come across a lot on some of the UK multi-topic discussion boards.

People have posted, asking if anyone keeps snakes and the common misconception seems to be that snakes need large open spaces to 'roam' in. When I try to explain that snakes are, for want of a better word, agarophobic, they think I am mad.

[C.m.pyrrhus]

ok how can i reply without stepping on your toes? there is no way because just from reading your post you are very easy to offend . put your snake in whatever you want ,i just hope you don't get an iguana!! marie

Not exactly stepping on toes, just seems as if your not strong in the ways of knowing these snakes behaviour. I as well would not like to see new folks thinking that Sterilite tubs are abusive (for the right species), that is just not even close.

I was not aiming to be mean or cruel, but my reason of reacting does seem that way. Your responce just simply was not thought out, or your one who tries to pass a 'human' or 'Melissa Kraplan' way of thinking into herpetoculture. Thats why many folks here try to make sure that everyone trully understand and research animals before placing a statement or standard upon them as such.

I also have had MANY iguanas, personally not huge a favorite. They were all animals I took in as rescues from bad owners who knew nothing of the animal they kept. I do have one left that will be my last, also the only one I ever purchased as something I did want to keep. It also lives in a very large cage I built. Strong UVB light, heat light, many perches and climbing structures and a huge diet of greens that she gets to dive into daily. She would never be placed into a tub. You see, that is abuse! They are an animal that needs a larger space to thrive, not only because they simply get so damn big.

[Bighead]

Just for the record, bettas in the wild can live there whole life in 2-3 inches of water and never travel out of an area 18" in diameter. They can also live longer lives in captivity than in the wild, even in a bowl. As far as goldfish go, you're right. Bowls are mean. Some types of goldfish can live over 200 years and get over 4 feet long.

[Delirium]

Although far be it for me to consider myself a "snake expert", its early, I'm cranky and feel like adding my two cents.

All I have to rely on in my personal experience is the behaviours of our two animals, Fred and Weeble, a Ball Python and albino Cali King respectively. Researched to death, we are aware of their natural behaviours and penchant for hides and the what not. They both have enclosures where hides of varying sizes and temperatures are available. However, they also have a beautifully setup enclosure outside of their hides with branches for climbing, leaves for cover and a viewing area so that we can enjoy their company with little intrusion as needed. Call it curiosity, adapting to habitat or whatever but both Fred and Weeble consistently use their entire enclosure, climbing on the trees, sitting on top of their hides (and in Weeble's case, hanging out with his head stuck through the hole in the top of a coconut ) and just generally maximizing the space they have available. This may say different things to different people but my interpretation of what I have seen is that given the opportunity, snakes, either in general or dependant on character, will use space and elaborate enclosures if provided with them.

*throws two pennies on the table*

Take it or leave it.

Dee