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01-02-14, 03:56 PM
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Re: 2.5 to 5 gallon tank
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Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy
I'm getting close brother Steve. Counting down the days til I get the new addition. One of the bull snakes I saw on kingsnake.com was gone so I'm gonna see if I can find something good at Repticon next Saturday.
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Sweet! I can't wait! Medusa needs a larger enclosure soon as well. Probably going with CN or AP.
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01-02-14, 03:57 PM
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Re: 2.5 to 5 gallon tank
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On the extremes, I'm sure it would start to become impractical. However, I can find no justification for keeping a snake that gets 3-4 feet long in anything smaller than a 40 gallon or equivalent enclosure. When I see somebody say that a corn snake can live out its entire life in a 20 gallon, it makes me angry. Sure, they can live in such a small enclosure, but I can't imagine it's a satisfying existence.
This is my opinion, but I think breeder procedure has crossed over too much into the common practices of snake keepers. A lot of people seem to view snakes as pretty baubles to be collected, rather than living creatures with instincts and drives. When I see home keepers with racks full of snakes, I can't help but wonder about their motivations.
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I agree completely. People do it for selfish reasons, it's so they can get as many animals as they can fit into their home, without really putting much consideration into the needs of those animals. How about giving more to less animals, instead of giving less to more animals.
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01-02-14, 05:44 PM
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Re: 2.5 to 5 gallon tank
Where will the next Repticon be hosted, EL-Ziggy?
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0.1 Western Milk: Milkdud, 0.1 Desert Phase Cal King: Liouse, 0.1 Gopher Snake: Aphrodite, 1.1 Drysdale River Bearded Dragon: Franky and Titan, 0.1 Eastern Box Turtle NO NAME, 1.0.1 Broad-head Skink NO NAME, 0.1 Beta NO NAME 0.0.0 Spider Ball: (coming soon)
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01-02-14, 10:57 PM
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Re: 2.5 to 5 gallon tank
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Where will the next Repticon be hosted, EL-Ziggy?
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The next Atlanta Repticon is in Gwinnett on Jan 11-12. I hope I find something good there. Here's the link
Repticon Atlanta Page
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01-02-14, 11:11 PM
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Re: 2.5 to 5 gallon tank
Thanks you!
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0.1 Western Milk: Milkdud, 0.1 Desert Phase Cal King: Liouse, 0.1 Gopher Snake: Aphrodite, 1.1 Drysdale River Bearded Dragon: Franky and Titan, 0.1 Eastern Box Turtle NO NAME, 1.0.1 Broad-head Skink NO NAME, 0.1 Beta NO NAME 0.0.0 Spider Ball: (coming soon)
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01-02-14, 11:19 PM
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Re: 2.5 to 5 gallon tank
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Not an opinion, it's a fact.
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Not true you put a tiny GTP in a huge enclosure I have heard they stress and do very poorly.
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01-03-14, 10:35 AM
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Re: 2.5 to 5 gallon tank
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Not true you put a tiny GTP in a huge enclosure I have heard they stress and do very poorly.
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Provide plenty of cover and I'm sure they would do fine. Instead of the traditional 1 or 2 pearches and thats is.
Any snakw would stress if you put them in a large enclosure with almost nothing in it.
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01-03-14, 10:44 AM
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Re: 2.5 to 5 gallon tank
To me the key is considering the native habitat of the animal. even cbb still have the instincts of their wild counterparts. and animal from dense jungles will do fine in any size tank provided the habitat provides wild like conditions.
Nature is a big place.
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01-03-14, 04:07 PM
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Re: 2.5 to 5 gallon tank
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Cages can never be too big, IMO.
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Agreed...as long as you have adequate hiding spots.
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01-03-14, 10:08 PM
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Re: 2.5 to 5 gallon tank
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Not true you put a tiny GTP in a huge enclosure I have heard they stress and do very poorly.
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An enclosure can never be too big, it can however be too empty and insecure for whatever animal is living inside it.
I know people don't like to compare wild animals to captive animals, but I think the example I am about to use holds some value.
Green tree pythons in the wild do not live in small boxes that make them feel secure. They live out in the open rainforest, with as much space as they want. However they have trees, leaves, branches, hollows...etc to use as cover.
Same rule applies to any size enclosure. It's all about security. You can house a green tree python in a house sized enclosure as long as there are plenty of hiding spots and a steady temperature gradient is in place.
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01-03-14, 11:01 PM
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Re: 2.5 to 5 gallon tank
Totally agree 100% all the way.
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0.1 Western Milk: Milkdud, 0.1 Desert Phase Cal King: Liouse, 0.1 Gopher Snake: Aphrodite, 1.1 Drysdale River Bearded Dragon: Franky and Titan, 0.1 Eastern Box Turtle NO NAME, 1.0.1 Broad-head Skink NO NAME, 0.1 Beta NO NAME 0.0.0 Spider Ball: (coming soon)
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01-03-14, 11:05 PM
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Re: 2.5 to 5 gallon tank
If you agree than why downsize? So YOU can have more.
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01-03-14, 11:16 PM
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Re: 2.5 to 5 gallon tank
I am just downgrading it to a reasonable size. Not something to small, and obviously it can't be as big as it is now. I don't want to get rid of my 50 gallon, I will be soon giving that to my Spider Ball, I just need another tank the same size or a bit smaller then my Milk's cage so I can have my King and my Milk about the same cage size. Then in the future when I have a little more room, I will upgrade it as their sizes grow. I hope you understand.
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01-04-14, 12:22 AM
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Re: 2.5 to 5 gallon tank
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Not something to small, and obviously it can't be as big as it is now.
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What do you mean by this? You don't need to reduce the size of one snakes tank because the other is in a small tank
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01-04-14, 08:04 AM
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Re: 2.5 to 5 gallon tank
If I get two of the same size, it will be perfect. But if that's not the case, it will be a little smaller.
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0.1 Western Milk: Milkdud, 0.1 Desert Phase Cal King: Liouse, 0.1 Gopher Snake: Aphrodite, 1.1 Drysdale River Bearded Dragon: Franky and Titan, 0.1 Eastern Box Turtle NO NAME, 1.0.1 Broad-head Skink NO NAME, 0.1 Beta NO NAME 0.0.0 Spider Ball: (coming soon)
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