Why is this considered acceptable? - Page 2

Albert Clark · 02-29-16, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sirtalis

Totally got you man, I've got no problem with tubs if the animal is properly set up but personally I would always go naturalistc, just personal preference, what bugs me is bhb style cramped

Understood.

SSSSnakes · 02-29-16, 09:08 AM

I use tubes and critter keeper tanks that lock. Tubes are great for controlling humidity. I have found that most snakes prefer smaller tank or tubs. They feel more secure and eat better. Simple and basic is the way I like to go.

**Aaron_S** · 02-29-16, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SSSSnakes

Well said Aaron. We have been agreeing a lot more lately, that is scary. LOL

LOL it IS scary.

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Originally Posted by SSSSnakes

I use tubes and critter keeper tanks that lock. Tubes are great for controlling humidity. I have found that most snakes prefer smaller tank or tubs. They feel more secure and eat better. Simple and basic is the way I like to go.

Yeah I found the same thing about size of enclosure. As a general rule something to make the snake feel more secure is always best. (exceptions to every rule)

I look at it this way. Snakes generally have one weapon to defend themselves. Their mouth. Relative to their body it's a pretty small area it can defend. Therefore, a snake is more likely to prefer coiling on itself to be able to defend itself than to be stretched out all the time.

**Minkness** · 02-29-16, 05:02 PM

Aaron makes a good point. I have a female hognose that runs laps in her enclosure. Constantly on the move unless she's digesting. She is in a tank bigger than 'suggested' as well. But I have another who is very lazy. He likes to curl up in his favorite corner and just sit there to watch the world outside. I could put him in an enclosure half the size of his current one, and I don't think it would make much of a difference. He is also a hognose. Likewise I did a test to see if my active female stayed active in a smaller enclosure. And she was. Same activity in a 5 gallon as a 20 long. She also ate consistently (if not better) in the small enclosure as the larger one. Only difference is, is that I enjoy seeing my active snake with more room. I doubt she really cares at all.

Arachnaeoccult · 03-01-16, 04:11 AM

My BP is in a 20 gallon and about 2.5 feet long.

sirtalis · 03-01-16, 09:35 AM

Thanks everyone, I had a thought that some snakes (in the same species) enjoy a different lifestyle. Some may prefer to sleep/hide/soak all day where others are more inclined to explore? I find this true with most people and tons of other animals. I prefer a very active lifestyle but my neighbor would rather stay home all day lol I mean my leopard geckos have very different personalities, My male sleeps all day while the female is exploring through the day. Just a thought

serpentgirl123 · 03-01-16, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sirtalis

Thanks everyone, I had a thought that some snakes (in the same species) enjoy a different lifestyle. Some may prefer to sleep/hide/soak all day where others are more inclined to explore? I find this true with most people and tons of other animals. I prefer a very active lifestyle but my neighbor would rather stay home all day lol I mean my leopard geckos have very different personalities, My male sleeps all day while the female is exploring through the day. Just a thought

Exactly! I try to cater to each of my animals/snakes different and individual lifestyles. I have more than a few snakes (boas, carpets, and colubrids) that prefer to just sit in one corner 90% of the time no matter how big/small their environment is and others that don't. One of my carpets, I realized, would prefer to climb and when I get done moving, I will get him a taller enclosure. While the other 2, hardly ever use the shelf at all, unless they make a mess on the ground level, but the option is there.

**Minkness** · 03-01-16, 03:22 PM

Albert feels like Aaron called him a moron for 'over feeding' his snakes sometimes.

**Andy_G** · 03-01-16, 03:37 PM

I'm thinking a private message would've been a bit more appropriate...because now we can all see someone's panties bunched up.

Albert Clark · 03-01-16, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy_G

I will hold back my thoughts on this statement you've made as I don't know how many years you've successfully bred ball pythons for...but could you tell me what I'm missing here? When did Aaron single you out in this thread or call you anything?

Doesn't matter how long I've been doing any of my business, a insult was directed at anyone who over feeds or has overfed their snakes. The insult was in poor taste Andy. Its belittling and counterproductive. Period.

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Originally Posted by Andy_G

I'm thinking a private message would've been a bit more appropriate...because now we can all see someone's panties bunched up.

What you think and what someone else thinks are different things. My message was directed to Aaron. You can pull your panties up now!

**Andy_G** · 03-01-16, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

Doesn't matter how long I've been doing any of my business, a insult was directed at anyone who over feeds or has overfed their snakes. The insult was in poor taste Andy. Its belittling and counterproductive. Period.

What you think and what someone else thinks are different things. My message was directed to Aaron. You can pull your panties up now!

So...he's talking about chronic overfeeding affecting a captive snake to the point of being a direct cause of fatty liver disease....which IS a moronic thing to do whether you like it or not (but it can be learned from or changed), and a problem in our hobby...and you're taking it personally because you bump feeding schedules during breeding season...nope...apples and oranges there...still pretty sure i'm missing something. Must be...personal...? If not...sunshine and rainbows as they say...

Panties? What panties.

Albert Clark · 03-01-16, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy_G

So...he's talking about chronic overfeeding affecting a captive snake to the point of being a direct cause of fatty liver disease....which IS a moronic thing to do whether you like it or not (but it can be learned from or changed), and a problem in our hobby...and you're taking it personally because you bump feeding schedules during breeding season...nope...apples and oranges there...still pretty sure i'm missing something. Must be...personal...? If not...sunshine and rainbows as they say...

Panties? What panties.

The words written were specifically "moronic people"!!!!!! And since you care to justify the insult, who died and made you commander in chief???? No, not personal. Just taking up for the mentally challenged people of the world who are the real recipients of the term "moronic people". Still insulting. Good night and have a rat day!!

RAD House · 03-01-16, 04:12 PM

Big snake girl you are making the assumption that all snakes need the same amount of enrichment and space relative to size. Snakes occupy many different niches in the wild so this is simply not true. If a ball python thrives well in a space you deem to small than isn't it really more of an opinion at that piont? If I am being honest an opinion you do not seem to have much proof of.

**Andy_G** · 03-01-16, 04:18 PM

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Big snake girl you are making the assumption that all snakes need the same amount of enrichment and space relative to size. Snakes occupy many different niches in the wild so this is simply not true. If a ball python thrives well in a space you deem to small than isn't it really more of an opinion at that piont? If I am being honest an opinion you do not seem to have much proof of.

x2. We are getting very anthropomorphic here and assuming an awful lot...including that the "exploring" in a larger cage is not caused by stress but by the animal's wants and desires when the exact opposite could in fact be true...

**Aaron_S** · 03-02-16, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

@ Aaron: Come on now, name calling is unnecessary. I overfeed a couple of my animals when they are building and if they will take food when they are gravid. I've had no slugs , no birth defects, 100% hatch rate and the female adults all are healthy and resume a normal feeding schedule. Moronic? That is really a insult.

1. You've bred for about a year or two. It's a small sample size to consider everything in your practice as "successful". You're on the right track though so good for you.

2. That doesn't constitute overfeeding. I feed my breeding females weekly and usually 15% body weight and sometimes 20% if it's a female who has been bred a few years in a row. I don't consitute animals going to be using a large amount of their energy and body and fed a little more to aide in that as overfeeding.

3. If you can't tell the difference between what I mean by overfeeding and what you do then that's on you and how you read my posts. I can't be held responsible for what you understand.

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Originally Posted by MesoCorney

Big snake girl you are making the assumption that all snakes need the same amount of enrichment and space relative to size. Snakes occupy many different niches in the wild so this is simply not true. If a ball python thrives well in a space you deem to small than isn't it really more of an opinion at that piont? If I am being honest an opinion you do not seem to have much proof of.

Bingo! I don't feel the need to explain anything beyond what has been said here.