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Old 10-02-12, 09:02 PM   #1
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Re: An aspiring keeper with many curiosities

You actually sound like a coherent young lady. Just remember that it's not something that you half-step into; you must be sure whether or not you want to do it and you must know yourself and your habits. If you think that you could be content with a Kenyan Sand Boa or any non-venomous snakes then by all means.. get those instead and don't risk your life to unnecessary dangers of venomous animals.

If you are interested in the idea to begin with, just like I am, learn about what it takes and see what decision you formulate for yourself and make sure it's the right one. You did the right thing by seeking information first instead of going out and getting venomous snakes on a whim. Poke around the forum here, you will find people with friendly disposition, experience, and knowledge who I believe will be delighted to talk to you.

If you want to be proactive about the mistreatment of snakes, get in contact with some of the organizations who deal with rattlesnake roundups and see how you can help out for starters, just a suggestion.

Good luck.
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Old 10-03-12, 03:41 AM   #2
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Colorado is gorgeous. Im moving there soon. I visited as a kid and have dreamed of moving there after college for years. Ive gone back a few times and love it more every time I go. I'm 22 now, and hope to be living there before 23!
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I know! Have you ever visited Durango? Its really a sight to see. Some of that town hasnt quite left the 50s, its facinating!
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I completely agree with you Moreli. But I will raise an every day happening as a sort of comparison. Many people go out and drive when tired, go 10-20 over the speed limit, drive huge trucks/suv's etc for various reasons from "I want to go to work and make money even though Im exhausted" to "I wanna go grab a coffee". We all make decisions for our own small benefit that put others at a technically needless risk.

That said, I completely agree with your stance, I was merely using a risky behavior as an example.

As for Aaron - Youve preached a "you must earn my respect" mantra since I started reading this forum, yet Ive never seen a reason to want to earn your respect. Everyone else in this thread? yes. You? Im going to look for an ignore feature in my settings. Ive never seen you contribute a valid point without a negative angle slapped on for seemingly no reason.
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Thing is, there's a certain amount selfishness involved in keeping a hot, which isn't present in skydiving.

When you're skydiving, you're only risking your OWN life.

If you get killed by your hot, someone else has to come and risk their life wrangling a deadly snake which is loose in your house. Or if the snake escapes your house, your neighbors are then at risk of getting bit by a hot too!

So the fact that you like to look at these animals and a zoo won't cut it justifies putting people around you at risk?
Finally, a reasonable and intelligent response.

This is something that every venomous keeper must consider. For people who do keep venomous snakes regardless of its inherent danger; a bite protocol set in place in case that something that should go wrong is very important for not only your life but also those who may come in contact with the animal in the near future. Securing the snake should always be the first step, always.

Good drivers fail, people get struck by lighting, and it's not unreasonable to expect the worst of outcomes if the possibilities are there. It's up to the responsible person to expect and prepare for the worst of all situations.

Deciding whether or not keeping venomous snakes makes one a social deviant or not is up to your interpretation. I'd say there's a clear distinction between an Eyelash Viper being kept properly with extreme care and caution vs. a Black Mamba in an enclosure that's weighted down with heavy items. The difference in their respective scale of outcomes and its discernibility of the worst case scenario is great.

It's not that venomous keeping is for the self-righteous or the otherwise around, but rather - we should keep the portal of knowledge open to those who are becoming interested in these species to let them be aware of all its aspects for them to make the most intelligent decision for themselves. This is a much more sensible way of going about it instead of talking down to them with the influence of your own judgement in the subject that may or may not coincide with others.
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I completely agree with you Moreli. But I will raise an every day happening as a sort of comparison. Many people go out and drive when tired, go 10-20 over the speed limit, drive huge trucks/suv's etc for various reasons from "I want to go to work and make money even though Im exhausted" to "I wanna go grab a coffee". We all make decisions for our own small benefit that put others at a technically needless risk.

That said, I completely agree with your stance, I was merely using a risky behavior as an example.

As for Aaron - Youve preached a "you must earn my respect" mantra since I started reading this forum, yet Ive never seen a reason to want to earn your respect. Everyone else in this thread? yes. You? Im going to look for an ignore feature in my settings. Ive never seen you contribute a valid point without a negative angle slapped on for seemingly no reason.
You obviously don't read enough of my stuff.

On a better note, I'm happy that I'm living rent free in your head.
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The thing we have to consider guys, is that life is a thousand risks stuck together with a few safe things. It is completely reasonable and BETTER to consider these risks when making life choices. But you have to think.... who is working with those snakes in those zoos? It's a human being who has gone under extensive training to do that job, and hopefully knows in full what they are doing. I wouldnt trust a zoo keeper who keeps ferrets to move a rattlesnake around, not in the least. I understand that keeping a reptile in your home is different then caring for it at work, but both require the same learning, facts, training, and precautions. Lock that cage, watch those fangs, and make sure everything is set up if you get hurt that you won't leave someone else in peril
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Sorry if my answer overlaps I didn't sit and read all of them but had some inputs on your question. First, as far as Im aware GA's main law is that you can only have hots native to the state. I live in SC so Im not 100% on that just something Ive heard a few times. I would also do like mostly everyone else said and seek out a mentor if you can even though its not always an option. but at 17 you have some time to dig. As far as a good first hot, thats up to you. Every snake has its ups and downs. Copperheads usually have a decent temperment once they get older and arent considered deadly (eventhough ive seen several news reports of death by copperhead) However, as babys in my experience has been that they are very nervous making them hard to feed f/t, and hard to ride on a hook without trying to run on you. No hot can be trusted. assuming you might take all the proper steps, and be as prepared as you can be when you make the leap, I also recommend starting with a baby. One old enough that eats well on its own but small enough you can grow with it as it matures. you really dont want to be inexperianced and trying to force feed a baby, and the bigger the snake the bigger the venom glands and larger the strike distance. But a good way to find a mentor is getting to know people. At the shows, venomous websites, or anywhere else. make someone your friend, they will help you out. But just asking for a mentor might be a little harder for the fact a ton of people want one and some of those people shouldn't be allowed to have dogs muchless an animal that can kill anyone that it comes in contact with. Watch some youtube videos, ive seen several where people freehand hots (which is ******** if ive ever seen it). it only takes one mistake and you could be killed or someone else can be killed. If your not killed you might wish you were dead, loose an entire limb, or have to live with the guilt that you caused one of those to someone else. Just be smart. When you think your minds made up, do more research anyways.
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