Snakes around the neck? - Page 3

**millertime89** · 10-13-12, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by filthy phil

Did you miss the part where I said im avoiding the big ones? im getting a 6' rtb. Male. I should be ok

Ive seen a man choked out and it takes a bit longer than 3 secs

Did you miss the part where the real danger isn't asphyxiation but cutting off blood flow and ultimately oxygen to the brain?

Lankyrob · 10-14-12, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by filthy phil

Did you miss the part where I said im avoiding the big ones? im getting a 6' rtb. Male. I should be ok

Ive seen a man choked out and it takes a bit longer than 3 secs

In that case the person doing it was A) doing it wrong or B) it was in a fight situation where the person being "choked" was high on adrena
Ine and k ew it was coming, anyone who knows their mma can put someone out who is inexperienced in less than three seconds.

shaunyboy · 10-14-12, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by filthy phil

Ive seen a man choked out and it takes a bit longer than 3 secs

^^^^^
well the guy doing the chocking was NOT doing it correctly mate,unless your talking about a winpipe choke (takes a little longer)

i taught Judo for years and had people unconcious,within 5 seconds everytime using a cartoid arterial choke,it instantly stops the oxygen supply to the brain,no matter how big or strong the guy was,go get a friend to apply pressure at the same time,to both the large veins that run down both sides of your neck,if done correctly your head and eye sight will begin to go fuzzy within 3 to 5 seconds,followed a few seconds later with unconciousness

cheers shaun

P.S. Gregg as far as i know...

the only cases of pet snakes killing their owners come from the USA,that not tell you something mate

great pic by the way,i would love a pair of those Albino's off you mate

stephanbakir · 10-13-12, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by filthy phil

Any snake of mine would catch a bullet b4 it choked me out. Which is one reason im staying away from the big ones for now.

Really wanted to avoid saying this, but it needs to be said. As the responsible keeper you are (right?) its your responsibility to not be a moron and put the animal in a situation where you might for whatever reason need to end its life to protect your own or someone elses.

Hurrok · 08-13-12, 04:58 PM

Honestly I have nothing against it, at all. I do it all the time with my BP's except for one whom is always tense and has no interest in human interaction LOL. But otherwise, generally speaking it's at your own risk and for me it doesn't make my views any different or my choice to put a snake around my neck. Although a BP or a snake similar to the size is the biggest I would do that with.

How exactly would a snake be able to get those pressure points around the neck? I can understand a larger snake, but they are most likely going to choke you out rather than putting pressure on those points. I would imagine that they would have to be in the same spot for a bit of time anyways for it to have an effect? You could say that a scarf could do damage....but again if you tighten it that much it's going to choke you...not hit pressure points. Again, I think it all comes down to the person, their views, and the reptile itself.

bigsnakegirl785 · 08-13-12, 05:01 PM

I don't let either of my snakes completely around my neck, because I like to have full mobility of my neck. My boa constrictor, I don't feel comfortable having around my neck because he's so small I can't tell if he's getting ready to fall or not. If I'm cleaning my ball python's cage or doing things that require both of my hands (such as opening the door or moving things out of my way), I put him on my shoulders. Of course, the first thing he wants to do is crawl down my back and onto the floor, then start exploring. (He's a handful

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DeesBalls · 08-13-12, 05:37 PM

I agree with Rob, while i am not in martial arts or anything, just my schooling for nursing school i know of all the blood vessels, stuff that runs through the neck area... if blood flow gets cut off, your down. Also I know people in Martial arts, and armed servecies, and they all have been put down ( i have been too by a army friend) and you are OUT, then you dont recall anything...

we are not saying the snakes are OUT to get us... or that the bigger ones will more offen, but its a risk that can potentially happen by accident...

Terranaut · 08-13-12, 05:55 PM

My take on this ...
Should you put a snake around your neck? No!!
Do we beed to discuss it in every thread? No.
Lets stop killing the dead horse. Put this info into the forum rules or make it a sticky or whatever. I doubt people tell others not to speed on tuner forums or not to feed the bears on hiker sites.
Nobody questions your motives but the broken record is getting a bit out of hand.
Lets find another way. A sticky you can reply with. One line one link. End of discussion.

SSSSnakes · 08-13-12, 06:11 PM

I'm not for putting snakes around your neck either, but lets get real, the possibility of a Ball Python doing any real damage around your neck is very slim. If we really want to get overly careful, then why don't we warn people about holding their snake when they are outside. I mean if you are holding a snake outside, a hawk may see it and swoop down to attack it and miss and rip your throat out. I think the two scenarios are both just as likely and both just as unlikely to happen. Common sense people.

Kaetlinv · 08-13-12, 06:12 PM

I don't believe it's being discussed in 'Every thread', as you put it. I asked a question and it was off-topic of the thread. Someone wanted to address it further on their own and made the thread. People can make what threads they want and discuss what they want. No one 'needs' to discuss at all but we are, so we should be allowed to discuss what we wish.

Let me offer my opinion...

Should you put a snake around your neck? Ideally, no, but it mainly depends on the snake and how comfortable you are with handling the specific snake in question. In Marvel's case, Marvel chose to hold a rather large snake and it got spooked unexpectedly. I personally wouldn't put anything larger than an adult BP around my neck, and considering the growth rate of my female BP, I might not hold her around my neck if she gets much larger.

In the end it's up to the handler to take that risk. Yes, there is danger in doing so with larger snakes, however the likelihood that your snake will magically hit that pressure point with their flat, wide bellies is really not that high. I've never heard of someone getting hurt from a python hitting a pressure point. I'd only ever heard of the danger of a snake choking someone, and you can prevent a smaller constrictor from choking you. Larger, perhaps not, but it's all about the snake and the handler combo.

Jlassiter · 08-13-12, 06:17 PM

I agree to never do this for another reason.....
Real keepers let their snakes be snakes....they aren't pets you can call by name and they won't do tricks.....

They are snakes......but, sure some seem to be domesticated (BPs & corns mainly).

As a breeder, I have seen the snakes that are less domesticated make better breeders, feeders and overall captives that will not become ill 'all of a sudden' nor will they have the common captive problems we all read about on the internet.

Gregg M · 10-14-12, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jlassiter

They are snakes......but, sure some seem to be domesticated (BPs & corns mainly).

No reptile is truely domesticated. That topic would make another good thread.

Anyway pressure point are not what puts a person out in a choke hold. It it the constriction of blood vessles to the brain that causes the person to pass out. I also know that it takes much more pressure to cause this to happen than any ball pyhon can dish out. That is for sure.

I must have been crazy when I took this shot. LOL

RandyRhoads · 08-13-12, 06:23 PM

Some people can be asymptomatic with one completely occluded internal carotid artery. There's the vertebral arteries to perfuse the brain. I realy don't see anything like balls or corns causing enough pressure to occlude both arteries enough to cause you to hit the deck. Maybe lightheadedness and dizziness at worst? In the rare chance that one decided to constrict i'd say you have a good amount of time to unwrap it before you hit the ground. The "pressure points" like cross collar/ rear chokes are just that, points, not even circumfrential pressure.

**Pareeeee** · 08-13-12, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyRhoads

Some people can be asymptomatic with one completely occluded internal carotid artery. There's the vertebral arteries to perfuse the brain. I realy don't see anything like balls or corns causing enough pressure to occlude both arteries enough to cause you to hit the deck. Maybe lightheadedness and dizziness at worst? In the rare chance that one decided to constrict i'd say you have a good amount of time to unwrap it before you hit the ground. The "pressure points" like cross collar/ rear chokes are just that, points, not even circumfrential pressure.

^^^ This ^^^

Norm66 · 08-13-12, 06:31 PM

I never do it with any larger snake. Not because I truly believe one might hit on some ninja pressure point and knock me out but because a) I hate the feeling of being choked, even he very slightest bit, and b) I feel like a snake all the way around my neck has too much control over the situation and I greatly prefer to be in control at all times.

Little snakes I don't worry about. In fact I've let my carpet do it until very recently but its over now because he's over 4' and it can be murder to unwrap that tail when es anchored on. My BCI will shortly lose the privilege as well. But my SD retic still gets to do it because he's still finger-thin.