Egg binding. Any sort of DIY advice?

[Jay]

^^Interesting

[Lankyrob]

Did you discuss removal of the ovaries with the vet? Then you wouldnt need year on year attention, one bill and the snake lives for a good number more years.

[Dehlida]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Did you discuss removal of the ovaries with the vet? Then you wouldnt need year on year attention, one bill and the snake lives for a good number more years.

No, I don't believe in this practice at all. The same way I don't believe in removing venom glands. Part of the reason I'll only get a dog that's already fixed- I can't go through that process myself. I saw it happen once to my first dog and she never was the same. It's a disgusting thing to do to an animal.

[Lankyrob]

But in this case it saves a life and also prevents future medical issues? I would gladly lose mine to get rid of my medical problems!

[Dehlida]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

But in this case it saves a life and also prevents future medical issues? I would gladly lose mine to get rid of my medical problems!

I would never let someone remove mine under any circumstances. Yes, I'm one of those guys that would rather be shot than live without them.

[Lankyrob]

Originally Posted by Dehlida

I would never let someone remove mine under any circumstances. Yes, I'm one of those guys that would rather be shot than live without them.

I find this quite sad - just my opinion and not trying to start anything but this snake would live a good life without the ovaries and yes it would have a short period of discomfort during the recovery but that is something that I think should be done rather than jsut killing it.

I think that this is purely about money and nothing to do with the snake at all - you seem to have no regard for snakes as living things they are just "stock items" for your business and this is something that the reptile community doesnt need.

My 0.02cents

[Will0W783]

I choose to humanely put down my pet rather than pay hundreds in vet bills is both ludicrous and stupid.

So now you are saying the snake IS your pet? Which is it- a money making object or a pet? SO you spoke to your friend - a vet. Why didn't you speak to your friend first, instead of stirring up a mess on here? Why did you even start this thread, if you weren't going to be willing to take any advice? Neutering dogs and cats has been shown to allow them to live healthier, longer lives and prevents thousands, nay millions, of unwanted animals being born that would end up homeless on the streets or killed. SO you don't want your 'nads removed...bully to you sir, but if your snake can possibly live a healthy life if its ovaries are removed, I think you should at least consider it.
As I mentioned before, you should not be keeping animals if you cannot afford potential medical care...you said you have 50 snakes? WHY? If you cannot and will not afford the medical care for ONE, there is no reason you should have 50. Your attitude and apparent disregard for the snake as a living creature have put you on my definitely-never-buy-from list.

Furthermore, you've really left a sour taste in my mouth from all your posts....attacking TeaNinja about his practice with his rats...why is it any of your business what he does with them? He raises rats, sells the live ones to a pet store and buys frozen ones. He prefers this to killing them himself- what is wrong with that?
And your thread about rattlesnake roundups? WTF?? That was completely unnecessary and you HAD to know that that would raise hackles around here. WHY would you even post a thread like that??? It seems to me that you enjoy creating a stir and ruffling feathers.
I'm done with this thread. I'm done with all your threads. I've spoken my opinion, and you've spoken yours. We obviously don't see eye-to-eye. I cannot, and will not, ever abide by people who accept/support mass slaughtering of snakes in roundups and will not spend money to heal an animal that is their responsibility. It's people like you that leave snakes underweight, sick and scarred out on Craigslist. (I've personally taken in several rescues that unscrupulous breeders had run ragged). I am a starting breeder, but I still consider my snakes living creatures and understand that there are risks when dealing with live creatures, and if you are not willing to accept the risks to your wallet, you should not deal in live creatures as a business. I'm done with this mess.

[Dehlida]

Originally Posted by Will0W783

So now you are saying the snake IS your pet? Which is it- a money making object or a pet? SO you spoke to your friend - a vet. Why didn't you speak to your friend first, instead of stirring up a mess on here? Why did you even start this thread, if you weren't going to be willing to take any advice? Neutering dogs and cats has been shown to allow them to live healthier, longer lives and prevents thousands, nay millions, of unwanted animals being born that would end up homeless on the streets or killed. SO you don't want your 'nads removed...bully to you sir, but if your snake can possibly live a healthy life if its ovaries are removed, I think you should at least consider it.

I'm saying "pet" loosely, mainly because you guys value the animals as pets and treat them like family- something a lot of big breeders do not do. I normally would not speak to my friend about these sort of things. Vet is NEVER my first option with herps, this is why I asked on a forum dedicated to reptiles, for reptile advice on DIY methods. Notice "DIY" that doesn't mean " do it with a vet". No, I wont consider spending several hundred dollars on removing a snakes ovaries, rent matters more as does food, and other things.

As I mentioned before, you should not be keeping animals if you cannot afford potential medical care...you said you have 50 snakes? WHY? If you cannot and will not afford the medical care for ONE, there is no reason you should have 50. Your attitude and apparent disregard for the snake as a living creature have put you on my definitely-never-buy-from list.

I have 50, this is the first incident of a snake that could possibly need medical care. I don't believe in spending hundreds on snakes, regardless of owning a single snake or 5,000. I like many breeders would not vet these animals. Period. As for you not buying from me- really don't care. I said drop it, and you won't let it go. We differ in opinions, views here are more extreme than a lot of private breeders I know.

Furthermore, you've really left a sour taste in my mouth from all your posts....attacking TeaNinja about his practice with his rats...why is it any of your business what he does with them? He raises rats, sells the live ones to a pet store and buys frozen ones. He prefers this to killing them himself- what is wrong with that?

I disagree with the practice- as do other people. Notice I wasn't the only person saying these things in the thread. However it's time to single me out because of a completely seperate topic. Clever.

And your thread about rattlesnake roundups? WTF?? That was completely unnecessary and you HAD to know that that would raise hackles around here. WHY would you even post a thread like that??? It seems to me that you enjoy creating a stir and ruffling feathers.

Or I was seeing if people view things the same as I do? Speaking with different people on facebook chat I got a varying opinion. Some who thought nothing wrong with, some that did. I talked to only herp keepers so I thought maybe I'll propose a question openly on a reptile forum. I had no idea I would be publically bashed for a varying of opinion. Clearly you seem to put snakes on some sort of a pedestal above ther living creatures, which is fine, it's a snake forum. Is it realistic in my mind? No.

I'm done with this thread. I'm done with all your threads. I've spoken my opinion, and you've spoken yours. We obviously don't see eye-to-eye. I cannot, and will not, ever abide by people who accept/support mass slaughtering of snakes in roundups and will not spend money to heal an animal that is their responsibility. It's people like you that leave snakes underweight, sick and scarred out on Craigslist. (I've personally taken in several rescues that unscrupulous breeders had run ragged). I am a starting breeder, but I still consider my snakes living creatures and understand that there are risks when dealing with live creatures, and if you are not willing to accept the risks to your wallet, you should not deal in live creatures as a business. I'm done with this mess.

I asked before to stay out of the thread, but you fealt the need to keep posting. I won't lose any sleep. People like you are why people like me exist. Always someone on the other end of the road thinking something differently. The sooner you stop judging the better off you'll be

[Freebody]

Originally Posted by Will0W783

So now you are saying the snake IS your pet? Which is it- a money making object or a pet? SO you spoke to your friend - a vet. Why didn't you speak to your friend first, instead of stirring up a mess on here? Why did you even start this thread, if you weren't going to be willing to take any advice? Neutering dogs and cats has been shown to allow them to live healthier, longer lives and prevents thousands, nay millions, of unwanted animals being born that would end up homeless on the streets or killed. SO you don't want your 'nads removed...bully to you sir, but if your snake can possibly live a healthy life if its ovaries are removed, I think you should at least consider it.
As I mentioned before, you should not be keeping animals if you cannot afford potential medical care...you said you have 50 snakes? WHY? If you cannot and will not afford the medical care for ONE, there is no reason you should have 50. Your attitude and apparent disregard for the snake as a living creature have put you on my definitely-never-buy-from list.

Furthermore, you've really left a sour taste in my mouth from all your posts....attacking TeaNinja about his practice with his rats...why is it any of your business what he does with them? He raises rats, sells the live ones to a pet store and buys frozen ones. He prefers this to killing them himself- what is wrong with that?
And your thread about rattlesnake roundups? WTF?? That was completely unnecessary and you HAD to know that that would raise hackles around here. WHY would you even post a thread like that??? It seems to me that you enjoy creating a stir and ruffling feathers.
I'm done with this thread. I'm done with all your threads. I've spoken my opinion, and you've spoken yours. We obviously don't see eye-to-eye. I cannot, and will not, ever abide by people who accept/support mass slaughtering of snakes in roundups and will not spend money to heal an animal that is their responsibility. It's people like you that leave snakes underweight, sick and scarred out on Craigslist. (I've personally taken in several rescues that unscrupulous breeders had run ragged). I am a starting breeder, but I still consider my snakes living creatures and understand that there are risks when dealing with live creatures, and if you are not willing to accept the risks to your wallet, you should not deal in live creatures as a business. I'm done with this mess.

Kim you took the words right out of my mouth, this is what i was thinking as i reached this point of the thread. im not interested in anything you have to say at this point, but i reall hope you Troll around on some other threads here, and see what humanity is doing with their animals.

[mykee]

They come, they go. I especially like the going part.
BTW, kiddo is awesome; makes me feel young again.

[NennaMeerkat]

You know what I am thinking the same thing...I am seeing a bunch of similarities as well. I think for myself, and I suggest for others, that if this individual posts to just ignore them overall. Even if this isn't the same person as before I think it will cause a lot of less heartaches (so to speak) overall.

So my hats off to you Dehlida this will be my last post on anything you put up as a topic as well as ignoring you if you comment on my own. I am here for educated information and friendship...not for the mess to be stirred up.

[SnakeyJay]

Nbcthe lack of care and the fact that your not willing to take a sick animal to a vet is what our hobbie doesnt need.. This is why alot of people view herp keepers as irrisponsible and careless... You say you brought this snake knowing about the scale damage, hence you didnt want to breed her..... So what exactly is this snakes role in your "business"?
Oh and maybe your friend (vet) gave that oppinion because hes your friend? Id go get a second oppinion at least.. And how are you going to kill the snake? Cus im guessing you wont pay for that to be done humanely either.

[Ch^4]

I've read the entire thread and don't really want to comment.

However, you mentioned that this particular female will not be bred. You are running a business in which you--I'm assuming--breed snakes and sell offspring.

You said:

Originally Posted by Dehlida

I have pets, and then a have a business. This snake is a part of my business, not a pet.

How is this snake part of your business? Because you also mentioned:

Originally Posted by Dehlida

Normally this wouldn't be a problem- moist lay box yada yada however, she has scale damage at her cloaca preventing her from passing eggs on her own (which is why I was never going to breed her).

If you never had any intention of breeding her, does this fact not negate her role as a "business snake", thus converting her into a animal you are simply caring for (i.e., a pet)?

[totheend]

Originally Posted by Ch^4

If you never had any intention of breeding her, does this fact not negate her role as a "business snake", thus converting her into a animal you are simply caring for (i.e., a pet)?

This is what I was trying to get at by asking what his business was....a question never answered.....

[TeaNinja]

that's why i requoted it this morning lol.