Housing/husbandry for False Water Cobra?

[venomdoc]

>Are you so gullible that you think Bryan Greg Fry actually answered YOUR post to him???God I found another one... Fry has several idiots answering for him on general questions,

Yes, my cloning endeavours are going swimmingly. I now have a legion of mini-mes. A small but deeply disturbed following.


> Try asking him a personal question such as (Is there anything I can inject to slow down my cancer). You will not receive a reply because his cronies do not want to get into the Dog house.

Obviously you are a bit pissy because I didnt answer one of your emails. Sorry about that mate. I try to answer as many as I can while still maintaining some faint shadow of a life.

As to how to slow down cancer, the only snake toxins potentially applicable in this regard are the disintegrin peptides from viper venoms but these are lab-based findings, none have emerged from clinical trials to-date

>This guy is all over the world

The only accurate statement in your entire delusional ramble

>and has his little band of followers posting his exploits to make him look like a big man to young IDIOTS!!

righto

>God grow up, you are far from being important enough for Fry to take two minutes to answer your questions.

Entirely correct. I much prefer floating on a cloud above Mount Olympus thinking deep thoughts about my big toe

> Try Wolf Wooster

Might have more luck trying Wolfgang Wuster

> You might have a chance there, His fame has not gone to his head YET!!

Give it time. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too :: insert evil mad-scientist cackling here ::

>As for me, I try and help kids learn the truth

By posting woefully inaccurate information regarding the relative toxicity and venom composition of Hydrodynastes gigas?!

> Better yet join the Greg Fry fan club and win an autographed photo to sit on your Grass snake tank!

First ten new members get a free copy of the 2010 nude calendar. Tropical June is of course a much longer month than Arctic December!! ;p

Cheers
Bryan

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Dr. Bryan Grieg Fry

[sassamagoo]

Jparker, you need to let it go. You've already decided you don't agree with Joel, no matter what he says. its been obvious on more than this post. Since that seems to be the case, just quit pushing it before you push him off the website. You know there may be other people who DO want to hear what he has to say without you jumping in every time to tell him why he's wrong.

If you can get Fry himself on here to give a different opinion, Awesome! Until then, please, quit starting arguments unless YOU YOURSELF know the answer PERSONALLY, from your own experience and research. Why ask questions just to disagree with every answer you get? Seems like pointless flaming to me.

Sass

[Will0W783]

I have no idea who Brian Fry is, and am not on anyone's side, I was just concerned about the possible mix-up between H. gigas and bicinctus and wanted to make sure that what I have is indeed H. gigas. I think you seem very knowledgeable and are a good member here.

[siz]

Kim - From those pictures, and the other pictures I have seen I would say H.gigas. Those pics aren't the best for comparison but I have seen other pics of you FWC and the biggest thing that stands out to me is it's head.

Joel - I'm a little confused. I don't know a whole lot about venom, your post (#12) was a bit confusing to me...what is the measurement MW? And what are the differences between the 'Types' of venom you mentioned(and the ones you didn't)? I'm trying to wrap my head around it, it's super interesting stuff and I'd love to learn about it.

jparker - Obviously you disagree with Joel but I would like to respectfully ask you to stop being so attacking. He seems to have the knowledge to back up what he says (in detail) while you are taking words from someone else's mouth and have no way to back it up. The statement "venom + microscope = fail" is extremely vague and I'm not sure if you are trying to start a fight or not. Can you tell us why it "= fail"? Genuinely curious...

[Will0W783]

I agree with Siz here. I am enjoying Joel's contributions, and dont' want to see him get annoyed and leave the site. Not everyone will agree with everyone else, especially with a sometimes touchy topic (I guess rear-fanged potencies can be touchy?) but there is no reason to constantly attack another member.

[jparker1167]

it was not a post that i talked to him on. it was on facebook. grow up lol thats coming from you? the person who tells people they are not able to keep a puff adder because they do not have more then 6 years experience handling hots but you have taken almost 2 bites a year for 17 years and another one bite a year for the next 30 or so years. you try to help kids learn maybe you should step back and look at your hanlding before you tell others how to do so. lol grass snakes huh whats wrong with those even tho i dont keep those. i keep venomous cobras gaboons puffs saw scales leventine vipers and have kept hots for around 5 years with no bites. how soon did you get bit when you started ? im pretty sure i would not want to learn from you. i have a friend that i talk to about hots and hes 50 years old and has kept hots for over 30 years and has taken 4 bites. had he had 200 adult venomous breeders. 100 where cobras. he also started keeping hots when he was 14 and started with puff adders. he didnt take a bite from a hot for 28 years after he started.

so you think fry's fame has gone to his head lol i guess you have never talked to him have you? he goes in king snake chat room now and i have never got the feeling that he though he was to good to talk to anyone. he has people answer for him lol where the hell did you get that maybe you should not comment on stuff you dont know about.

[jparker1167]

i have nothing against joel, but when he said the venom of the false water cobra was comparable to cobras mambas and kraits it didnt sound like anything i have heard about them. most people talk about them comparable to rattlers. not elapids. willow fry is a venom researcher.

[Will0W783]

Cool! I imagine venom researching must be really interesting. I don't really know that much about venom or its compositions, although I have a few snake books that go into the basics of it fairly well and I understand biochemistry, so hopefully I'll learn more about it. I'm just trying to understand the venom and the potency therein of my FWC a bit better. I got him because I thought he was a fascinating little snake ( I know he will get big and am prepared for it) and from what I read he wasn't fatal. I do hope I don't ever have to find out personally. He is quite docile now, and I handle him like I do my pythons and boas, albeit a bit more cautiously and gently. Jparker, thanks for all the help and advice on my Spilotes too! I really appreciate it. I moved him into a bigger enclosure now- he is in a 5'x2'x16" melamine and plexiglas enclosure. He does the coolest tail drumming whenever I open the cage or stand in front of it...lol..it's like he thinks he's a rattler or something. You need to post some pictures of your Spilotes-I'm dying to see it. I think they are one of my new favorite species. Cyclone is just such an awesome snake!

[jparker1167]

no problem man im glad hes doing well. no one has ever died from a false water cobra bite that i have heard of. they have a poor delivery, i would not let them chew on you tho lol. everyone reacts differently to venom any bite could become a problem.

[siz]

Have you guys seen the photos of the man who let his hognose chew on this hand? His hand is incredibly swollen and ... gross, pussing, etc. It was really bad. How can you be so stupid?? I can try and find the link if anyone is interested.

[Will0W783]

I would like to see that, just to see the extent of the damage- seriously wtf? He must be ******** to let any snake, let alone a (mildly) venomous one, chew on him. Dumbass.

[siz]

hognose snake bite
Not quite as bad as I remember it being. But this guy is a moron. Read the text, it says he let it chew on him for 3-5 MINUTES.

[Will0W783]

Total idiot! I would have immediately have gotten it under running water or pushed my hand back into its jaw to gag it and cause it to release. I have been bitten a few times by pythons and boas, but always it was a quick bite/release. I would NEVER EVER let a snake chew on me...seriously bad idea.

[siz]

Especially a venomous one..

[jparker1167]

i saw that pic before too, complete moron. i saw a artical about a guy that let a false water cobra chew on him also i believe they said he blacked out ill try to find the post.