Bateater - Step 1

[HeatherRose]

and if two humans from different races and 2 different types of dogs can procreate then why cant 2 snakes...

Humans = same species

Dogs = same species (regardless of how many 'breeds' there are, dogs are ALL the same species)

Snakes = NOT all the same species.

If so shouldnt they have the same "gene pool" same number of crom. and stuff

Dogs (same species) all have the same number of chromosomes. I will assume that snakes do not, because they're not the same species. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

oh ya and im sorry if some ppl are taking this as an arguement but its really not.... this is a learning experence and im really enjoying it... last night i know i was pretty rude and jumpy but im sorry i was really tiered...( i havent slept in months) thanks to everyone who is taking part and helping me and others learn..

You didn't show it, and everyone has bad days anyway...This thread is of great information to everyone involved and I think taxonomy IS important

[Kyle Walkinshaw]

This has been a very interesting thread. Thanks Ryan and/or Katie for the great links, and everyone else who added positive input, I enjoyed the taxonomy lesson.
@ Favelle, I love how you always get atleast one smart a$$, BUT intelligent comment into almost every thread Keep um coming!

[D J N]

Here we go again, hoestly I hate this ****, I don't see the big deal with it and what really gets me is how it's fine for large breeders like Bob Clark to do it ya don't see people bashing him for his Borneo Bat Eaters. So let the man breed what he wants I mean its so Hypocritical because every one loves albino burms and all the colour morphs but guess what they arn't all that natural they are only around thanks to selective in-breeding, which increases the chance of genetic defects. Just look at the Leucistic Texas Rats Snakes! But you don't see people saying it's disgusting to inbreed now do ya.

And Yes I'm fully aware that selective breeding is within the same species but it seems that it's only with large constrictors that this becomes a problem. I mean when someone posts a Jungle Corn no one really says anything, so if you don't agree with it at least be poile and respectfull of others oppinions and beliefs.

[Jeff_Favelle]

If so shouldnt they have the same "gene pool" same number of crom. and stuff???

Gene pool has NOTHING to do with the number of chromosomes. Its not even close. Just look up the two terms in a common dictionary and it will tell you the difference.

[peterm15]

look i really didnt ask for that... and it was two different questions... you said something about chrom. so i wanted to know dont they have the same number of them.... and arent they from the same kind of gene pool.. there both pythons right...

[Jeff_Favelle]

@ Favelle, I love how you always get atleast one smart a$$, BUT intelligent comment into almost every thread Keep um coming!

LOL Kyle! I just want to make sure that if people are going to argue and back up a point, then they should AT LEAST get the specifics right, don't you think???!!! I don't even have an opinion on the bateater thing. Who cares? I hate Burms and Retics anyways, LOL! But when someone is going to argue a point and they don't know the basics of what they are standing on, I gotta help them! Its my duty! LOL!

[Jeff_Favelle]

They are NOT from the same gene pool! Like I said look it up.

Oh frig, let me look it up FOR you then.............

The gene pool is the collection of all the genes available in the breeding population. That is, all the possible alleles that can POSSIBLY be passed back an forth to each subsequent generation. Burms and Retics DON'T meet in nature. They are of different gene pools! That's why they are different species! Their pools of genes don't mix in the wild.

I have to go pull my hair out now..............

[Matt_K]

Originally posted by Jeff_Favelle
Who cares? I hate Burms and Retics anyways, LOL!

And you can Add BP's to that list.. Are there any snakes you like anymore?? LOL

-Matt

[Jeff_Favelle]

Hmmm.....a couple. LOL!

And I'm not picking on you peterm15. I'm just making sure you have a solid foundation of FACTS to base your arguement on. That way, people will take you seriously when you tell them your side of things. Cool?

[JimmyDavid]

well Jeff, for a guy who hates burms and retics you sure are posting a lot in this GIANT PYTHON thread.
Let's see. I agree that it's never wrong to learn but there's a place and time for everything. If you want, we can start a taxonomy related thread where everyone's free to join in and "learn".
But Anaconda started this, and he posted a photo of his bateater project.
Next thing you know, someone is telling how wrong that's supposed to be and later, it's a Biology class in here. Don't you think it's getting a little
away from what the author of the thread first intended?

[Ryan and Katie]

Next thing you know, someone is telling how wrong that's supposed to be and later, it's a Biology class in here. Don't you think it's getting a little away from what the author of the thread first intended?

The only reason that this thread turned into a taxonomy discussion is because members were using misinformation and incorrect facts to argue the point for (or against) hybridization and cross-breeding.

But when someone is going to argue a point and they don't know the basics of what they are standing on, I gotta help them!

Exactly!

[rwg]

This is why common names suck, and anyone seriously into the hobby (serious enough to argue about hybridization on a web forum) should learn a little about taxonomy. "Python" as it is commonly used does not refer to a group of snakes that are all in the same species. There are some pythons that are that closely related, but many more that are not. Same applies to "boas". Think your Rosey would make a good mate for a BCC just because they both have boa in their name?

Roy

[peterm15]

Originally posted by Jeff_Favelle
Hmmm.....a couple. LOL!

And I'm not picking on you peterm15. I'm just making sure you have a solid foundation of FACTS to base your arguement on. That way, people will take you seriously when you tell them your side of things. Cool?

very cool thats all iwas asking for... everyone is entilted to there own opinion... mine still hasent changed but now i can realise yours... thats all...
when i bought a python book for my own reasearch into the one i wanna get the first thing i read was the differences between the two... all i wanted to know was an explaination on why they ar econcidered different so different...

[Kimo]

I think it's time people came off their rockers and looked at the one simple fact that alot of people here seem to be ignoring...

If it was wrong, Mrs Mother Nature wouldn't allow it...it's a simple fact that no matter how much you think is morally wrong (wich mother nature cares not for. Proof is in the original picture at the start of this thread) is still possible, with or without mans help!

By the way, your so called morals, a word created by man...simply dont exist in Nature.

You find me a lesson in accredited university where it states that "Morales" are a factor in Nature, and i will publicly say i am wrong in this thread. Untill then, if you dont like the idea of hyrbids, or cross breeding, keep your comments to yourself, unless you can PROVE that your dislike of hybrids is a factor in natures rules....

if it can be done, it will be done, and thats Nature! Completely 100% unpredicatble, so stop your crying because you can't comprehend, or understand it, Nature carries on...

Proof? What do you think happened with Mules? a simple cross between a Horse, and a Donkey, Voila! or how about those nifty Lion/Tiger crosses, or perhaps the whole Mastiff family in Dogs, The German Mastiff, and English Mastiff are perfect examples! incase your all wondering what a German Mastiff is...It's a Great Dane.

it all boils down to this...if it was against the laws of Mother Nature, it wouldn't be possible, yet here it is..happening! so who's really wrong here? Mother Nature, for allowing it to happen? or mankind for helping it along?

thats just my two cents...take it as you will!

P.s. I'm with Favelle, and the rest of em...i dislike Hybrids VERY much, but i am not so close minded as to say its morally wrong, or wrong for that matter at all, i just personally dont like em! So To the original poster of this thread, Congrats & Good Luck with your cross breeding, and i hope you produce fat, healthy lil pythons for the rest of human kind to enjoy!

now im gonna go educate myself on what a "Bateater" looks like...am kinda curious!

Josh

[peterm15]

well said kimo... im with you on this.... there actually pretty good looking snakes....


and ron good luck... the bat eates are good lookin snakes.. congrats