Thawing frozen rat

**Aaron_S** · 08-08-17, 02:35 PM

I don't have enough fridge space so I do the room temp and use hot water some hours later to heat them before feeding.

I usually take mine out in the morning and feed 12+ hours later.

TRD · 08-08-17, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I don't have enough fridge space so I do the room temp and use hot water some hours later to heat them before feeding.

I usually take mine out in the morning and feed 12+ hours later.

Actually it got me wondering a bit..

Most bacteria seem to replicate every 30 minutes or so at room temperature.

If one would say that on a dead mouse there are 100 'malicious' bacteria present, then in 12 hours this number would be 409,600 bacteria.

Leaving a mouse 'overnight' which has been thawed in this method (let us assume here the total time is 24 hours) would result in 1,677,721,600 bacteria.

I never had a snake turn ill or otherwise leaving a mouse overnight. Sometimes have forgotten the mouse and it was eaten the following evening. surely snek would of died.

TLDR: applying standards to reptiles that are build for humans (like FDA) is fundamentally flawed

**Andy_G** · 08-08-17, 03:56 PM

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TLDR: applying standards to reptiles that are build for humans (like FDA) is fundamentally flawed

EXACTLY right.

Trouser Snake · 08-17-17, 06:21 PM

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EXACTLY right.

I agree, that's just common sense. Mods of Facebook groups tend to think of themselves as some sort of higher beings, which is why I prefer proper forums where everyone is allowed an opinion without the pitchforks coming out. I like this forum. CBRF UK wasn't too bad when that was about but had it's problems. I have to say it seems more civilised on ssSnakeSs.com!!

jjhill001 · 08-17-17, 08:31 PM

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I agree, that's just common sense. Mods of Facebook groups tend to think of themselves as some sort of higher beings, which is why I prefer proper forums where everyone is allowed an opinion without the pitchforks coming out. I like this forum. CBRF UK wasn't too bad when that was about but had it's problems. I have to say it seems more civilised on ssSnakeSs.com!!

I was in a fb community and out of it in less than 4 days before I left because of the attitudes.

dannybgoode · 08-09-17, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TRD

Actually it got me wondering a bit..

Most bacteria seem to replicate every 30 minutes or so at room temperature.

If one would say that on a dead mouse there are 100 'malicious' bacteria present, then in 12 hours this number would be 409,600 bacteria.

Leaving a mouse 'overnight' which has been thawed in this method (let us assume here the total time is 24 hours) would result in 1,677,721,600 bacteria.

I never had a snake turn ill or otherwise leaving a mouse overnight. Sometimes have forgotten the mouse and it was eaten the following evening. surely snek would of died.

TLDR: applying standards to reptiles that are build for humans (like FDA) is fundamentally flawed

And I'll always offer any uneaten items that have been left overnight to one of my waste disposal snakes

**Aaron_S** · 08-09-17, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TRD

Actually it got me wondering a bit..

Most bacteria seem to replicate every 30 minutes or so at room temperature.

If one would say that on a dead mouse there are 100 'malicious' bacteria present, then in 12 hours this number would be 409,600 bacteria.

Leaving a mouse 'overnight' which has been thawed in this method (let us assume here the total time is 24 hours) would result in 1,677,721,600 bacteria.

I never had a snake turn ill or otherwise leaving a mouse overnight. Sometimes have forgotten the mouse and it was eaten the following evening. surely snek would of died.

TLDR: applying standards to reptiles that are build for humans (like FDA) is fundamentally flawed

Valid point. I'd like to see a study done on which of these "harmful" bacterias can be harmful to a health snake.

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And I'll always offer any uneaten items that have been left overnight to one of my waste disposal snakes

I do the same.

jjhill001 · 08-09-17, 04:28 PM

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Valid point. I'd like to see a study done on which of these "harmful" bacterias can be harmful to a health snake.

I do the same.

People literally dry age steaks for up to a month and a half letting bacteria grow on purpose and then eat them rare/medium rare. I highly doubt the majority food left out 24 hours would be particularly dangerous as long as you cook it.

And snakes which are known to eat decaying animals in the wild I imagine would have even less adverse effects