Snakes ARE affectionate - Page 8

sophiedufort · 04-24-15, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

1) snakes don't have their arms and legs bound. Or anything else bound.

2) it's not part of my normal day to eat a squirrel.

3) as talented as I am I cannot unhook my jaw and swallow something whole.

4) I don't sit maniacally offering my animals over excited or even alive food

5) none of this proves they can love

6) a good portion of our population consists of idiots. And I'm talking about people

7) you may actually be a little crazy

I didn't claim that you're crazy just because I don't like your opinion. This seems to be a forum of narrow-minded people who only show off and make stupid comments. I thought I came to a decent place where people actually care for pets, but I see that most have subscribed because they are bored with life, frustrated, and need to use a stranger as their punching bag. Stay on, good luck with it!

Nuxodom · 04-24-15, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

This thread took a turn to "light hearted" banter.

Then you come along and type this. Each of your subsequent posts since the first is becoming more judgemental and assuming. People who have a different point of view from you have tried to give factual evidence and for the most part have been open minded. You have not been these things even though you say you are.

Since this was one of your first posts here to make this thread I still believe you're here to get a rise out of the forum. Especially considering you don't post in other threads. Trust in me,above everyone, that I know when I see someone trying to get a rise out of a forum.

You're on thin ice.

I don't see anything wrong with her voicing her opinion...it doesn't seem bothersome at all. Also, I haven't seen any "factual evidence" at all to debunk her view - she is passionate about what she thinks, yes...but, just here to get a "rise"? I don't think so.

**lady_bug87** · 04-24-15, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sophiedufort

I didn't claim that you're crazy just because I don't like your opinion. This seems to be a forum of narrow-minded people who only show off and make stupid comments. I thought I came to a decent place where people actually care for pets, but I see that most have subscribed because they are bored with life, frustrated, and need to use a stranger as their punching bag. Stay on, good luck with it!

It's not crazy to believe that snakes can love. Its crazy to come up with a scenario where I'm tied up while battling a squirrel.

**lady_bug87** · 04-24-15, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuxodom

I don't see anything wrong with her voicing her opinion...it doesn't seem bothersome at all. Also, I haven't seen any "factual evidence" at all to debunk her view - she is passionate about what she thinks, yes...but, just here to get a "rise"? I don't think so.

In the lifespan of forums this argument comes up a lot with one side thinking they can feel and one side thinking that the other side is wrong.

The topic itself is not problematic. Baiting the forum with outlandish scenarios is. It doesn't prove any point except to irritate people.

this isn't a scientific discussion when she's talking about binding people up and feeding them woodland creatures.

Nuxodom · 04-24-15, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

It's not crazy to believe that snakes can love. Its crazy to come up with a scenario where I'm tied up while battling a squirrel.

I think it was rather clever and funny.

**lady_bug87** · 04-24-15, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuxodom

I think it was rather clever and funny.

The visual could be I guess BUT it doesn't make her argument any stronger.

eminart · 04-24-15, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sophiedufort

I just hate it when people speak lowly of snakes, and of any pets for that matter. What they say seems to reflect how they treat their pet.

This is the issue I have with you.

I think it shows more respect for the animal to understand its true nature and love it for what it is. I don't believe having human traits is what makes an animal worthy of my love or admiration.

I can keep a pet, try to understand its behaviors and the evolution that has produced those behaviors and really enjoy that. Human traits are great... for humans. The differences are what makes nature fascinating to me.

So, to me, your stand seems, for lack of a better term, bigoted. Everything must be like you to be loved.

sophiedufort · 04-24-15, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

It's not crazy to believe that snakes can love. Its crazy to come up with a scenario where I'm tied up while battling a squirrel.

I really believe it is the only fitting answer to mutsos' comment. His comment about snakes was disparaging and unfair, hence my decision to reply using the squirrel analogy.

**Aaron_S** · 04-24-15, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuxodom

I don't see anything wrong with her voicing her opinion...it doesn't seem bothersome at all. Also, I haven't seen any "factual evidence" at all to debunk her view - she is passionate about what she thinks, yes...but, just here to get a "rise"? I don't think so.

The other half of Sophie? You've only posted here yourself.

I've been around a long time.

I have no problem with people voicing their opinion. However, I don't appreciate when they talk down about others opinion in the same breathe asking those who differ to be open to theirs.

**lady_bug87** · 04-24-15, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sophiedufort

I really believe it is the only fitting answer to mutsos' comment. His comment about snakes was disparaging and unfair, hence my decision to reply using the squirrel analogy.

I will say this: My big girl BCI takes forever to eat. She isn't stupid. She does what nature taught her to do long before they became captive. She could take as long as she wants.

Don't confuse my opinion that my snake doesn't care about me for me not caring for her.

But as warranted as you felt your reaction was, it was silly and it made your argument silly.

jjhill001 · 04-24-15, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

It's not crazy to believe that snakes can love. Its crazy to come up with a scenario where I'm tied up while battling a squirrel.

Next on Animal Planet.

Nuxodom · 04-24-15, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

The other half of Sophie? You've only posted here yourself.

I've been around a long time.

I have no problem with people voicing their opinion. However, I don't appreciate when they talk down about others opinion in the same breathe asking those who differ to be open to theirs.

Other half? I wish! Did you see her picture?

I've been a lurker here for a long time, never posted.

sophiedufort · 04-24-15, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by eminart

This is the issue I have with you.

I think it shows more respect for the animal to understand its true nature and love it for what it is. I don't believe having human traits is what makes an animal worthy of my love or admiration.

I can keep a pet, try to understand its behaviors and the evolution that has produced those behaviors and really enjoy that. Human traits are great... for humans. The differences are what makes nature fascinating to me.

So, to me, your stand seems, for lack of a better term, bigoted. Everything must be like you to be loved.

I am at a loss as to why you would think that, and why you misconstrue my comments. I kept saying, all along, that although I think that snakes have feelings and emotions, these are very primitive and in no way comparable to ours. I love my pets for what they are, flaws and shortcomings included. All my comments in this thread emphasized this point.

If I ever reply to someone's comment, it is to show my distress about the fact that some people use disparaging words when it comes to their pets. One of them said, for instance, I quote: "These idiots can't handle efficintly simple tasks like eating". I just cannot comprehend how someone who loves their pets would say something like that. There is a difference when someone says "I agree that my pets are not very smart". It is still loving and it is perfectly acceptable. But when one refers to his pets as 'these idiots', it shows that person's true colors, as much as it raises a warning flag about the way he treats his pets.

I don't consider myself a pet owner. I am a pet parent. I couldn't say anything that is even remotely negative about my pets, let alone make nasty comments.

eminart · 04-24-15, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sophiedufort

I am at a loss as to why you would think that,

Because you've stated two or three times that those of us that don't believe that snakes love "think lowly" of them.

sophiedufort · 04-24-15, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by eminart

Because you've stated two or three times that those of us that don't believe that snakes love "think lowly" of them.

Here is what I said, word by word: "I just hate it when people speak lowly of snakes, and of any pets for that matter." I never made this comment in reference to people who don't believe that snakes love. My comment is strictly about people who use disparaging comments when referring to their snake pets, or their pets in general. Example in my previous post ("these idiots"). I am sorry that you misunderstood my statement.