Sick Crotalus - Page 5

**millertime89** · 08-31-12, 07:45 AM

Care to share which law?

Jay · 09-01-12, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

btw, its illegal to possess this species in the state of California according to California Code of Regulations Title 14, Section 671 C-7-E which is available here

Lol, why are you doing p.i ?

RandyRhoads · 09-01-12, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

Lol, why are you doing p.i ?

Ahahahaha

jaleely · 09-01-12, 03:05 PM

Trollbie! Since randy found possible parasites in his autopsy, it's an idea that since he's going to treat his snakes for worms, you should treat yours too!
: )

RandyRhoads · 09-01-12, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jaleely

Trollbie! Since randy found possible parasites in his autopsy, it's an idea that since he's going to treat his snakes for worms, you should treat yours too!
: )

No, don't just go treating for worms without knowing if they do or not. If you're concerned you could get a fecal test done, which is probablly cheaper than the meds anyway.

And those were wild caught, I knew the possibility of them having parasites and kept them seperated from all my others.

jaleely · 09-01-12, 03:32 PM

ah, okay.

And panicur or whatever it's spelled, isn't that harsh on the animals. Was talking to a guy who frequently catches garter snakes and he treats them all for parasites as soon as he gets them no matter what.

*shrug* i have considered doing it to my snakes just to make sure. usually you can get clues on if they have them, from their feces...but i always feel like they may have some and since i'm not like, micro-scoping their poo i wouldn't know about it.

I haven't done it yet, but for piece of mind i have considered it. just seems like it's so hard to tell when something is wrong with these guys (i mean at least a dog or cat will cry or whine if too upset).

RandyRhoads · 09-01-12, 03:38 PM

I was about to treat all mine just in case. But it was brought to my attention Panacur and other deworms don't kill all worms, some need specific drugs for specific worms. And i'm not sure about how harsh it is on other snakes, but Kim was telling me that it's really hard on Crotalids so maybe it's different for others. But even if it is safe, with the price of both the test and med taken into considerationyou might as well just get the fecal test and know specifically.

Trollbie · 09-01-12, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jaleely

Trollbie! Since randy found possible parasites in his autopsy, it's an idea that since he's going to treat his snakes for worms, you should treat yours too!
: )

They didn't find anything during Luigi's necropsy so I think my snakes are safe. But I will get them tested as soon as I get some extra money. I also need to find a good reptile vet around Long Beach now that I moved...

Will0W783 · 09-02-12, 08:31 AM

Panacur is generally regarded as the safest dewormer available for snakes, at a dosage of 50-100mg/kg. However, there is documentation of crotalids (pit vipers) dying after a single dose...something about the vipers makes them more fragile and susceptible to bad reactions I guess. I really don't know why, and I can't get an answer out of anyone about it.

However, Panacur will not treat ALL parasites. It is good for nematodes (whip worms and roundworms), but it won't touch giardia or cryptosporidiosis. I dont' advocate blanket treating snakes if there are no symptoms....any medication can be rough on their system and in CBB snakes the chance of parasite infection is very low. I think treating with medicine where it's not going to help is probably not a good idea. Panacur wouldn't hurt boas though, so if you're concerned go ahead. It's really only the viperids that you have to be concerned with. You can also have fecal tests run on your snakes. They are quite inexpensive and take only minutes.

**millertime89** · 09-03-12, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

Lol, why are you doing p.i ?

Cuz I'm sick of seeing people in this hobby getting busted for their own stupid mistakes and reflecting negatively on the rest of us at a time when that's about the last thing we need. I usually check for hots legislation if I'm not sure about it.

qnrvzyro · 09-04-12, 03:47 AM

sorry,i cannot do anything

RandyRhoads · 09-04-12, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

Cuz I'm sick of seeing people in this hobby getting busted for their own stupid mistakes and reflecting negatively on the rest of us at a time when that's about the last thing we need. I usually check for hots legislation if I'm not sure about it.

If it's so important for you to play law enforcement officer with me, contact Dianne at Fish & Game Department
7329 Silverado Trail, Napa, CA
(707) 944-5500

You can speak to her yourself since this is such a major deal in your life.

If multiple calls and driving over 100 miles to "turn myself in" and to find out in person that it WAS legal would be considered a stupid mistake on my part, I must be a damn ignorant inconsiderate fool with no respect for this hobby.