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RideOrDieB · 02-13-14, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I had ten mice in an 8"W•15"L•4"H for one hour without food while i transported them to a friends house. This is two of them. One had a a piece of its hind leg eaten.

Mice are a much greater threat than a rat ever will be.

This has been one of my arguments to myself as I'm feeding her... They are dumb. Circle of life. Are there many circumstances of a snake getting injured by a mouse?? This really is something I ignorantly view as rare and circumstantial. This is legit what I was taught by the people when I got Penelope (not saying they are right) this is what I know.

RideOrDieB · 02-13-14, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharlynn93

I always sat my mine too..2 to 3 minutes and i would take them out...BUT a mouse can turn in a half a second and bite...I have been bitten by rodents that seemed docile just a second before...I personally do not want to take that chance with my babies...risk of infection, etc is to high...I love my rodents, but my snakes are worth more to me than they are...just my opinion and observations, mind you...

I don't trust a rodent... But obviously I have trusted my snake with it. Altho yes with the intention of intervening if an incident. Whew with the way I am already stressed at the beginning of feeding is that realistic?! Something I'm coming to terms with... Yet I do want to believe my mama bear instincts would kick in and I'd save her quickly :-O

Sharlynn93 · 02-13-14, 12:23 AM

I was the same way...

figured let nature take its course.. (most of my snakes had never taken f/t when I got them, and I figured less waste if they didn't eat them, take them out and let them live another week)...until the 1st time my snake didnt catch one by the head...and it was able to bite and/or scratch the snake...no way to get the rodent out of a kill coil...damage is done at that point...just a point to ponder...

KORBIN5895 · 02-13-14, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RideOrDieB

Yes I do see that happening, would anyone feeding live mice let that happen??? I am always right there the entire time, if my girl didnt move long enpough for a mouse to nibble on her, i just dont see it. Grrrrr I know I'm seeming like a rude skeptic I will research more...
And I do see damaging the eyes could be an issue but wouldn't that be a freak accident? As well as any damage from a mouse?

I have a female boa that has had both eyes damaged by rodent bites. Two separate feedings before I got her.

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Originally Posted by Sharlynn93

I always sat my mine too..2 to 3 minutes and i would take them out...BUT a mouse can turn in a half a second and bite...I have been bitten by rodents that seemed docile just a second before...I personally do not want to take that chance with my babies...risk of infection, etc is to high...I love my rodents, but my snakes are worth more to me than they are...just my opinion and observations, mind you...

There is no way I would reach in for a rodent my snakes aren't interested in.....

cbrierley74016 · 02-13-14, 02:16 AM

Its actually illegal here in the UK to feed your snake live food.. wether it be rats, birds, lizards.. we have to buy pre frozen mice/rats and defrost them.. !

Lankyrob · 02-13-14, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cbrierley74016

Its actually illegal here in the UK to feed your snake live food.. wether it be rats, birds, lizards.. we have to buy pre frozen mice/rats and defrost them.. !

Not technically true...... Whilst heavily frowned upon if you have a preadatory animal that you can prove wont take f/t then in order to keep that predator alive you are allowed to "humanely feed live prey".

If you are deemed to be causing unnecesary suffering to the feeder animals then that is illegal.

cbrierley74016 · 02-13-14, 03:24 AM

Hmmm i dont think.. i know like bugs, crickets and stuff 4 lizards is alllowed, but not verterbrate like mice and rats :-0

Lankyrob · 02-13-14, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cbrierley74016

Hmmm i dont think.. i know like bugs, crickets and stuff 4 lizards is alllowed, but not verterbrate like mice and rats :-0

Can guarantee that i am right, will even try to look up the specific documents for you.............

cbrierley74016 · 02-13-14, 03:27 AM

Seems unfair allowing the lizards to have all the fun with their live food lol but at least their live meals cant cause them no harm ( like a rat and snake ) but illegal or not, ill be giving it a try like most ppl if the pre-dead rats stop getting eaten! Rather a scrawny rat die than my snake starve :-/

Lankyrob · 02-13-14, 03:30 AM

Copied fro government documentation explaining the welfare of wild animals kept in a zoo environment

1.6 Live feeding of vertebrate prey is to be discouraged (see Section 5). Although the Animal Welfare Act 2006 does not prohibit the feeding of animals with live prey, the live feeding of vertebrate prey should be avoided save under exceptional circumstances, and only under veterinary advice. Where it has to be undertaken, a written justification and ethical review process must have been undertaken and agreed by senior staff weighing up the welfare of predator and prey; feeding must be observed and live prey not left in the enclosure. Such feeding should not take place in the presence of the public.

Copied from animal welfare act

PROSPECTIVE

4Unnecessary suffering

(1)A person commits an offence if—
(a)an act of his, or a failure of his to act, causes an animal to suffer,
(b)he knew, or ought reasonably to have known, that the act, or failure to act, would have that effect or be likely to do so,
(c)the animal is a protected animal, and
(d)the suffering is unnecessary.
(2)A person commits an offence if—
(a)he is responsible for an animal,
(b)an act, or failure to act, of another person causes the animal to suffer,
(c)he permitted that to happen or failed to take such steps (whether by way of supervising the other person or otherwise) as were reasonable in all the circumstances to prevent that happening, and
(d)the suffering is unnecessary.
(3)The considerations to which it is relevant to have regard when determining for the purposes of this section whether suffering is unnecessary include—
(a)whether the suffering could reasonably have been avoided or reduced;
(b)whether the conduct which caused the suffering was in compliance with any relevant enactment or any relevant provisions of a licence or code of practice issued under an enactment;
(c)whether the conduct which caused the suffering was for a legitimate purpose, such as—
(i)the purpose of benefiting the animal, or
(ii)the purpose of protecting a person, property or another animal;
(d)whether the suffering was proportionate to the purpose of the conduct concerned;
(e)whether the conduct concerned was in all the circumstances that of a reasonably competent and humane person.
(4)Nothing in this section applies to the destruction of an animal in an appropriate and humane manner.

Lankyrob · 02-13-14, 03:32 AM

Double post

cbrierley74016 · 02-13-14, 03:41 AM

So it is allowed but not just if its what u decide, under vetinary advise..? So they'd have to observe and authenticate your pet will NOT eat dead food b4 you'd be allowed to try live food.. like when its half dead from starvation already

Lankyrob · 02-13-14, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cbrierley74016

So it is allowed but not just if its what u decide, under vetinary advise..? So they'd have to observe and authenticate your pet will NOT eat dead food b4 you'd be allowed to try live food.. like when its half dead from starvation already

Pretty much, tho hopefully you wouldnt wait til your snake is half dead before gtting vetenary advise

KORBIN5895 · 02-13-14, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cbrierley74016

Seems unfair allowing the lizards to have all the fun with their live food lol but at least their live meals cant cause them no harm ( like a rat and snake ) but illegal or not, ill be giving it a try like most ppl if the pre-dead rats stop getting eaten! Rather a scrawny rat die than my snake starve :-/

Are you joking about that first line?

Sublimeballs · 02-13-14, 07:59 AM

Mice can be dangerous, I'm not sure why youre doing your best to not believe everyone that's giving you good information.

If its the death of the rodent that stresses you, feed FT(dont have to watch it die) it's a lot more simple then you are making it.

You can go ahead and forget your romantic idea of giving these animals a taste of what is "Natural". A mouse is not going to be happier being constricted to death over its spine being broken, or gasses to death; either way it sucks!

If you really want to do good by your ball python, i suggest you stop feeding live the risk is unessicary. Start feeding FT rats(lower fat, higher protein, more calcium), I cant image there'd be a difference in price compared to multiple mice a feeding.