Close call!!

[Reptilegal]

Originally Posted by jarich

The girl learned her lesson from the loss she felt when she thought the snake was gone, not from any of us or our comments. The only thing she learned from us is not to bother coming here anymore. Im not sure if that was the mission everyone was on, as the health of the snake was used as the justification for all that 'tough love'. I wonder how well that snake will get on now that we aren't all there to protect it? Ha!

I am on ANOTHER snake forum and they are FRIENDLY,NOT RUDE AND HIGHLY HELPFUL!!!!!!!!!!!

[Reptilegal]

Originally Posted by jarich

Yikes, this is a little more harsh than I remember this community being.

Kat, quite obviously, hit the nail on the head here as regards the age of the OP. While many of us have learned things from age and maturity (it seems likely one more than the other in some cases ) there are some young people on this forum looking for help and advice too. And what is age and maturity if not years of mistakes and close calls? This was a mistake, yes, and one that was hard earned (Im not sure I could say that I would actually cry at the loss of any of my snakes, if Im honest). You might notice, if you happen to have any people in your home at that age, that in cases like this they tend to respond much better to positive reinforcement than negative, too. Nobody is asking you to be a bunch of coddling idiots, but a whole bunch of "what ifs" and "you made one other mistake" are hardly saving the world either. You can say whatever you want about "you're just doing it to save the snake", but you'll never make any difference to that snake without getting through to the owner in a meaningful way first.

Starting to sound like a bunch of old people at a retirement home.

"Kids these days! No respect! Turn down that music! Rar" slams cane to the ground and tries to call the police using the remote control...

Correct!! At least SOMEONE here understands!! I wish there were more of you on this thread!

[dbassa]

A few observations:

Why, when Wayne, one of our respected moderators, courageously posted about chomper and the mistakes made and what he learned from it, did no one flame him? In fact, apporpriately, members complimented him on his courage.

Why is it not okay to flame (bully) a child or teenager, but okay to flame (bully) an adult?

Treating people with disrespect is disrespectful whether child or adult. Public forum or face to face.

I suppose those of our members who have never made a mistake are entitled to judge.

Our reptiles are certainly very important. But if there were, God forbid, a fire in your home, you would certainly look after your significant other and child, if you had them, before your animals...so the excuse that your are looking after the animal, while having complete disregard for the human owner, just falls short somehow.

One of our members has a quote at the end of his signature, "ALWAYS judge a person by the way they treat someone who can be of NO POSSIBLE USE TO THEM !" comes to mind.

There are many experts on this forum with a wealth of knowledge which is why many of us chose to become members. But if we make mistakes taboo, no one learns. It becomes a playground for the elite keepers who "know it all" and the noobs are left to flounder. Not what this forum puts itself out to be.

Mistakes are how all the "experts" became experts. Don't forget that.

If you want to help someone, help them. If all you want to do is rebuke or judge, perhaps you should consider whether you have the animals and it's keepers best interests in mind or whether we are just bullying for the sake of bullying.

[Aaron_S]

I think this is for you....

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Reptilegal

I am on ANOTHER snake forum and they are FRIENDLY,NOT RUDE AND HIGHLY HELPFUL!!!!!!!!!!!

Personally been flamed here and returned. You will find this to be the #1 forum out there. What you did was childish, take a deep breath and use the block feature.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I think this is for you....

I could never get mine to breed. Can you link a care sheet?

[Aaron_S]

umm what locale did you have? Contrary to popular belief there are plenty of locales of rocks and if you don't have the same locales then they just never breed!

Most common are the gravel, granite, pebble locales. Sometimes there's the smooth or rough beach locale which are the same locale but different morphs so they can be bred together.

[Jay]

Well I have a trio of pebbles and I lowered the temperatures, but they still just sit there and do not even interact. I'm upset I thought I was going to be a big time breeder, I guess I'll move on to somthing else.

[Aaron_S]

I got 1.1 pebbles doing pretty well! I need some new blood in my collection though. Wanna do a swap of females and maybe that'll work for you!?

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

If all you post are the mistakes that you are making then people only have a limited amount of information to base their opinion on!

Two post within a week of fairly major welfare issues will NOT give anyone a good opinion of your ability to care for this animal properly.

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I got 1.1 pebbles doing pretty well! I need some new blood in my collection though. Wanna do a swap of females and maybe that'll work for you!?

Sure how do you sex them though?

[Aaron_S]

I probe mine.

[Wildside]

Jay and Aaron... I've got a pebble collection too

[StudentoReptile]

Originally Posted by Reptilegal

I NEVER said i was looking for sympathy, but i WASNT looking for stabs in the back either!!

I have to ask: so what WERE you looking for, if it was neither sympathy nor criticism?

[StudentoReptile]

Originally Posted by dbassa

A few observations:

Why, when Wayne, one of our respected moderators, courageously posted about chomper and the mistakes made and what he learned from it, did no one flame him? In fact, apporpriately, members complimented him on his courage.

Why is it not okay to flame (bully) a child or teenager, but okay to flame (bully) an adult?

Treating people with disrespect is disrespectful whether child or adult. Public forum or face to face.

I suppose those of our members who have never made a mistake are entitled to judge.

Our reptiles are certainly very important. But if there were, God forbid, a fire in your home, you would certainly look after your significant other and child, if you had them, before your animals...so the excuse that your are looking after the animal, while having complete disregard for the human owner, just falls short somehow.

One of our members has a quote at the end of his signature, "ALWAYS judge a person by the way they treat someone who can be of NO POSSIBLE USE TO THEM !" comes to mind.

There are many experts on this forum with a wealth of knowledge which is why many of us chose to become members. But if we make mistakes taboo, no one learns. It becomes a playground for the elite keepers who "know it all" and the noobs are left to flounder. Not what this forum puts itself out to be.

Mistakes are how all the "experts" became experts. Don't forget that.

If you want to help someone, help them. If all you want to do is rebuke or judge, perhaps you should consider whether you have the animals and it's keepers best interests in mind or whether we are just bullying for the sake of bullying.

I can't speak for anyone else, but for the most part, I teach how I was taught. I didn't learn much by being patted on the back and being told "thats okay. everything's still alright." I made mistakes. When I was in error, someone else called me out on it. I may not have liked it, but I look back and nod to myself, "yep, they were right, and I was wrong."

I don't regret it. It can be rough and curt sometimes, but its just the freakin internet. People need to put their big girl panties on and just deal. After all, you're here for the animals, right? Not to be coddled.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Wildside

Jay and Aaron... I've got a pebble collection too

Bah i bet they are just "normal" pebbles and not the exclusive ones I work with.