My snake just might have regurgitated!!!

[marisa]

"The way I see it if it says sand in the name of the herp there is a good chance it will be more comfertable on sand."

HAHAHA that's is the silliest thing I have ever heard. Because humans assigned a name to an animal, that animal must love the name and live according to it! uM yeah right....makes a big 0 sense. Maybe I should go out and get some corn for my cornsnakes to live in.

"bam you ar now asphixiating your animal. But it never Hapend to Marisa so it must be safe well it hapend to me I cut the shed off and I saw this blue line all the way around the animals skin. "

Oh that's exactly how I wrote my post wasn't it? It didn't happen to me so it can't happen! (Note, just in case you dont understand my big words, that was sarcasm)

I have never ever heard of a snake killiling itself because someone fed it during shed. EVER. In fact, many many people everyday feed in shed, and none mention this problem or have it. Maybe your snakes enviroment was insanely too dry. Wet snake skin is extremely "stretchy" and pliable, and if your snakes skin was so tight on its body it caused strangulation, your air and the skin was WAY too dry which caused the skin to become dry, brittle and tight.

"Now this will sound realy crule and heart less and I am NOT telling you to go out and do it but if you put your finger directly on a snakes eye at any given time you are only touching a lense cause snakes have no eye lids so there is a lends there to protect the actual Eye it self, so when you are poking at worst you are leaving a finger print and any scratch left buy sand would be shead away and it is the same effect for geting sand in the eyes the lens is there for that exact reason to PROTECT. think of all the sharp rock's they encounter in the wild and thorn bushes and what not. Don't come hear and try to tell this kid that just Because he has a captive snake that there bodies stoped doing what they were desinged to do."

Are you serious? You think its o.k. for sand or other debris to get into a snakes eye because they deal with it in nature? You have never ever heard of eyes of snakes being infected? Sorry but they have been. I am not saying his snakes eyes are in danger. I am giving him ALL the facts and risks of housing on sand. Again sorry you had difficulty understanding that. The POINT of captivity is to eliminate the risks of the wild to our best possible abilities. If you are not interested in that, that's nice for you, but I find it sad.

Good luck
Marisa

[Oliverian]

Now did you know the the head pice is not as large as the midel half of the body where the food is resting nither is the neck part nither is the uper half of the body. And just for fun we will say that Alax did a excelent job on his humidity keeping and the snake has what looks to be a perfect shed. Now when it arirves to the midle all nicely rolled up and it is nice and tight and now the snake tryes to make it over the food lump keep's going once it is half way he cant rolle it back on

Reptizone, just to let you know.... I have fed my snakes more or less on schedule for a while now, and if they eat while in shed, they are fine. You know how the 'neck' area immediately behind a snake's head is smaller than, say, its midsection? Well, according to your theory, this means that almost ALL snakes would have to have your help in cutting off their shed skins, because, in theory, they woudn't be able to get the 'skinny neck part' of their shed over their midsection, with or without food inside. Snake skin DOES stretch to a point while shedding, partially due to the liquid they produce to seperate the old skin from the new. (hence, the 'blue' appearance.)

Alex, if you want to keep housing your snake on sand, I guess we can't stop you, but I seriously reccomend listening to these people. They have been doing this a long time, and know what they are talking about. Just think about it. That's all I ask.

Would you feed your snake live prey? I'm guessing not, because there's obviously a huge risk of injury or death to the snake!


...So, why would you keep your snake on sand, when its the same issue? A huge risk of injury or death to the snake. So why do it?

Can you list all the good things about housing a snake on sand, and then all the bad things? You'll quickly see there's no rational reason to be housing on sand.

Good luck with the snake, I wouldn't handle him for a while yet if I were you. Hope he does better for you soon!

-TammyR

[AlexPan]

Thanks every one for youre very helpfull sugjestions. I will try out some of sugjested substrates especially aspen shavings. I'l make 50% sand and 50% aspen shavings and see what they will perfer.

However i think that RepiZone's theory on shedding makes a lot of sence. Basically its always good to be on the safe side.

[AlexPan]

Ps, i'l update every one in a cople of weeks on that the snakes will choose for their substrate.

[Linds]

Originally posted by AlexPan
Over all i think i am using good sand

Good sand? Far from it. Calci-sand is terrible any way you want to look at it, and is not suitbale for any animal IMHO. Yes, it is made from calcium, but have you looked at what form it is in? Calcium carbonate, same thing Tums are made out of. It's an antacid, therefore it neutralizes all the digestive juices which inhibits digestion and absorption of essential nutrients. It completely interferes with the way the system works.

[NewLineReptile]

Well Said Linds.

And Marisa I dont keep corn snakes but i have herd of people useing corn as some kind of bedding...lol wow i dont know you just made me think about that...lol

Alexpan....I to think the sand is a big NO NO! do the best for your snake and get rid of the sand.

Brandon

[BoaBoi]

You said you were gonna see which substrate he likes best, in that case see if he prefers live to dead feeding... It's the same damn thing, no one in their right mind would feed live unless they have to. Just because the snake seems to like(sand maybe) better than another substrate doesn't mean it's good for him. He is NOT a wild animal, you are his caregiver. Did your mother let you eat candy for supper every night because YOU PREFERED IT?

James~

[sapphire_moon]

and that also being said. how are you going to be able to tell? Say you put the sand on the warm side and aspen on the cool side.
And he likes to be on the warm side so he stays over there? It is just SAFER to go with a different substrate...

[AlexPan]

BoaBoi, i NEVER feed my snakes alive pray. I always prekill before feeding.

sapphire_moon, i will poot 50/50% of 2 different substates on each warm and cold side of their habitat.

[sapphire_moon]

still don't make sense. You are putting your snake in needless danger.

[marisa]

sapphire_moon you are just repeating what we have all already said. People are like that. Until something happens, they sometimes cannot even fathom the risk involved. He seems to want to do what he wants, so good luck to him. I wouldn't waste anymore "breath" on it though if I was you.

Marisa

[AlexPan]

Every one i knoe you are trying to help but it seems to me that most of you are being miss lead by the fact of sand.
I just wrote to Julian White, at the

Assoc. Prof. Julian White MB, BS, MD, FACTM
Consultant Clinical Toxinologist
Head of Toxinology, Women’s & Children’s Hospital
North Adelaide SA 5006 AUSTRALIA
Email: toxinaus@wch.sa.gov.au; julian.white@adelaide.edu.au
Websites: www.toxinology.com, www.toxinology.net

he is a good friend of main and i'l post exactly what he will say about all of the facts of sand. He being in this buisness for longer then any one here. If he will say what you said i will change the sabstate but, if not then i will not since i see no reason for what and what ever some of you said makes no sence at all like "the sand will collect in the snake's body till it dies".

[marisa]

If you have never heard of sand impaction then I suggest you do more reading. Its been so common I don't even see how you haven't heard of it.

I'd also include the fact your snake has recently regurgatated in the email as well as the fact you feed in enclosure.

Marisa

[AlexPan]

marisa, i did include that my snake have regurgitated, and ones i'l get his answer, i'l post my mail to him and his answer.

[BoidKeeper]

Alex,

You started this thread because you wanted to know why your snake may or may not have regurged. The majority of the people who replied believe that the sand is bad and responsible for causing an impactation in your snake.
You asked for opinions and then when you get them you argue tooth and nail to try and prove that your methods are fine. If what you are doing is fine, why aren't more people replying saying things like, "I've kept Kings on sand for years with no problems." ? People aren't because what you're doing is not safe and may very well have caused the regurge.
Why do you come here and ask for help if you don't think the people offering the help are qualified to do so?
This reminds me of when you wanted to learn how to milk snakes.
Trevor