Egg binding. Any sort of DIY advice? - Page 2

reptile65 · 06-23-11, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Will0W783

btw, I still think you should take her to the vet. I do understand your viewpoint, but I think she still has a good chance of survival, so why not take the chance and give her the best shot?

I agree. I think you should at least get a vet's opinion. You can then make a better informed decision as to what treatment is best at this point.

Dehlida · 06-23-11, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Will0W783

btw, I still think you should take her to the vet. I do understand your viewpoint, but I think she still has a good chance of survival, so why not take the chance and give her the best shot?

Because being self employed with reptiles as my only source of paying the rent, sometimes I have to make rough calls in life. I adopted a standard policy for my snakes some time ago- if every snake in my collection became ill I would not vet them all, I would simply humanely kill off the collection. I won't play favorites or change stuff around, if I had all the money in the world, and no worries in life, I would consider taking her to the vet however right now that is not an option.

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Originally Posted by reptile65

I agree. I think you should at least get a vet's opinion. You can then make a better informed decision as to what treatment is best at this point.

$60 to get an opinion from the only vet in the city who knows anything about reptiles. The advice I'm getting from some people online is pretty standard: surgery is the best method of extraction short of what I can do in the saftey of my own home. I've done mild stuff before, and I'd rather remove the eggs myself rather than pay someone with half as much exotic knowledge as myself to do the same thing..

Lankyrob · 06-23-11, 01:05 PM

I kinda agree that htere are differences of opinion - especially with wildlife found on the side of the road (personally i would probably put an animal out of its misery in this situation too) - however this animal lives with you through YOUR choice and in my opinion that makes you responsible to do everything you can to ensure it has as long and healthy a life as it can.

As this snake can obviously not carry eggs healthily i would be looking at a hysterectomy being administered at the same time as the eggs were removed. I realise this is not a procedure regularly carried out for reptiles as it had little benefit to their behaviour/health unlike with cats and dogs but in the case of an animal that has severe risks to its health any/every time it produces eggs i would be seriously considering it.

Will0W783 · 06-23-11, 01:10 PM

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however this animal lives with you through YOUR choice and in my opinion that makes you responsible to do everything you can to ensure it has as long and healthy a life as it can.

I think this is the main point of what had me so riled up...I don't lose my temper very often, but it does bother me when someone would rather end a life than do all they can to try to help it. My personal feeling is, if you can't afford the potential vet care an animal MIGHT need down the road, don't get the animal in the first place. Wild animals are one thing- nature is cruel (but my fiance and I still stop the car and put turtles in the grass if we see them trying to cross the road, and such), but a captive animal is true responsibility. Dehilda, what I still don't understand is why you say the snake is not your pet- how did you get it? Why does your monitor have a special place in your heart but your snake does not? Why did you get the snake if you knew you couldn't afford to take it to a vet were something to happen? Why'd you get a female?
I did come down hard in my first post, and I apologized, but I'm still really bothered by the whole situation. I understand your viewpoint and opinion, but I'll never agree with it.

Lankyrob · 06-23-11, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Will0W783

I understand your viewpoint and opinion, but I'll never agree with it.

And this is why you are such a respected poster on this forum!

Dehlida · 06-23-11, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Will0W783

I think this is the main point of what had me so riled up...I don't lose my temper very often, but it does bother me when someone would rather end a life than do all they can to try to help it. My personal feeling is, if you can't afford the potential vet care an animal MIGHT need down the road, don't get the animal in the first place. Wild animals are one thing- nature is cruel (but my fiance and I still stop the car and put turtles in the grass if we see them trying to cross the road, and such), but a captive animal is true responsibility. Why does your monitor have a special place in your heart but your snake does not? Why did you get the snake if you knew you couldn't afford to take it to a vet were something to happen? Why'd you get a female?
I did come down hard in my first post, and I apologized, but I'm still really bothered by the whole situation. I understand your viewpoint and opinion, but I'll never agree with it.

I have pets, and then a have a business. This snake is a part of my business, not a pet. As you may know- many large scale breeders feel the same way about their snakes.
I have over 50 snakes, 1 of them is worth the potential of a vet, it is a pet, and treated as such, the same way my gf takes care of hers. The rest of them however, are not pets and are a business venture. Even if I had the cash in my hand right now, I would not take this animal to a vet, not unless I was extremely rich, even then- I wouldn't have this snake as it isn't a pet and I wouldn't need to run a business would I? I got her when I was young, and didn't have the snake sexed before hand.

Will0W783 · 06-23-11, 01:23 PM

At one point I had 36 snakes, and I'm a student going to school. I do not use a vet for routine issues like bad shed, constipation, RI and such. Those are things that I know how to treat and have the medicines and supplies on hand to do so...properly.
However, when problems arose that were beyond my experience, I still went to the vet. Regardless of how many snakes you own, they are still living, breathing creatures and feel pain and discomfort.
I have in a few cases spent way more money on vet care than a snake initially cost, and it made things hard on me, but in my opinion when you take on an animal you are accepting the responsibility of its care, whatever the cost may be. Whether it's as a business, or as a pet...it's still a creature that is alive and can feel pain as well as comfort. Even the large breeders, at least the ones I choose to be friends with, will take a snake to a vet if they feel it's something they cannot treat at home. It's part of the cost of doing business with live animals.

Dehlida · 06-23-11, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Will0W783

At one point I had 36 snakes, and I'm a student going to school. I do not use a vet for routine issues like bad shed, constipation, RI and such. Those are things that I know how to treat and have the medicines and supplies on hand to do so...properly.
However, when problems arose that were beyond my experience, I still went to the vet. Regardless of how many snakes you own, they are still living, breathing creatures and feel pain and discomfort.
I have in a few cases spent way more money on vet care than a snake initially cost, and it made things hard on me, but in my opinion when you take on an animal you are accepting the responsibility of its care, whatever the cost may be. Whether it's as a business, or as a pet...it's still a creature that is alive and can feel pain as well as comfort. Even the large breeders, at least the ones I choose to be friends with, will take a snake to a vet if they feel it's something they cannot treat at home. It's part of the cost of doing business with live animals.

Again this is a disagreement. Naturually in the wild the snake would die or be eaten, at least I hit a middle ground and do my best in most cases, however I won't dump the hundreds of dollars into the snake. Killing is quick, painless, and humane. If I can kill rats to feed to my snake- rats that are perfectly healthy and deserve a "shot" at life, and are living breathing creatures than I should be able to make the same decision towards the snakes in my collection. I wouldn't put in vet bills for my feeder rats now I would I?

NennaMeerkat · 06-23-11, 01:39 PM

Owning any animal simply to make profit off its offspring to me is not a way to make a living. You, and some other snake breeders, seem to me to be running the equivilant of a "puppy mill". Now this snake has the potential of costing you money, and though you are doing a lot of home remedies the moment the word "vet" is mentioned you are ready to...in your own words...dispatch the animal. You use the excuse of not being able to use pain killers to not do the procedure as well as the snake not recovering. Honestly I think it is just that...an excuse.

I have personally taken rats to be put down by a vet because they have had cancers and a poor quality of life. Yeah I spent money with a vet on rats.

Honestly, like many people here I cannot understand your opinion.

Jay · 06-23-11, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dehlida

I have pets, and then a have a business. This snake is a part of my business, not a pet. As you may know- many large scale breeders feel the same way about their snakes.
I have over 50 snakes, 1 of them is worth the potential of a vet, it is a pet, and treated as such, the same way my gf takes care of hers. The rest of them however, are not pets and are a business venture. Even if I had the cash in my hand right now, I would not take this animal to a vet, not unless I was extremely rich, even then- I wouldn't have this snake as it isn't a pet and I wouldn't need to run a business would I? I got her when I was young, and didn't have the snake sexed before hand.

So you are equivalent to a puppy mill ...Disgusting! I do understand breeding for profit. My father and Uncle both breed reptiles, when one becomes ill or un breed-able it gets fixed and re-homed to the appropriate person. I am not saying you could have prevented this, but it seems that you are in the wrong business if you can afford to take care of the species you're depending on. Please go find another income and re home that snake to someone who respects it for what it is.

reptile65 · 06-23-11, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dehlida

I have pets, and then a have a business. This snake is a part of my business, not a pet. As you may know- many large scale breeders feel the same way about their snakes.
I have over 50 snakes, 1 of them is worth the potential of a vet, it is a pet, and treated as such, the same way my gf takes care of hers. The rest of them however, are not pets and are a business venture. Even if I had the cash in my hand right now, I would not take this animal to a vet, not unless I was extremely rich, even then- I wouldn't have this snake as it isn't a pet and I wouldn't need to run a business would I? I got her when I was young, and didn't have the snake sexed before hand.

So you're just using your animals as a source of income, but not willing to give them proper medical care when they need it? Wow. As some others have already mentioned, how is this any different than a puppy mill??? These are living, breathing, creatures. They are not disposable objects. Maybe you should find a new "business venture".

TeaNinja · 06-23-11, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dehlida

Again this is a disagreement. Naturually in the wild the snake would die or be eaten, at least I hit a middle ground and do my best in most cases, however I won't dump the hundreds of dollars into the snake. Killing is quick, painless, and humane. If I can kill rats to feed to my snake- rats that are perfectly healthy and deserve a "shot" at life, and are living breathing creatures than I should be able to make the same decision towards the snakes in my collection. I wouldn't put in vet bills for my feeder rats now I would I?

lol, i just find this funny. the only reason we would dispatch a rat is for food. you wouldn't be feeding anything the snake, just killing it.

is your snake a feeder? no.

in my opinion, if you have animals as a business and refuse to get them vet care when needed, you should have animal control called on you.

what would happen if the pet stores were just killing sick animals at will? no more pet store.

Jay · 06-23-11, 03:01 PM

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lol, i just find this funny. the only reason we would dispatch a rat is for food. you wouldn't be feeding anything the snake, just killing it.

is your snake a feeder? no.

in my opinion, if you have animals as a business and refuse to get them vet care when needed, you should have animal control called on you.

what would happen if the pet stores were just killing sick animals at will? no more pet store.

Great point, I wish I had this guys name to report.

LLinz · 06-23-11, 03:23 PM

I really hope that this person gets reported and is banned from ever owning any type of living animal again... People like this make me sick. This is a very emotional subject for me, as all of my animals were rescued or abandoned because of people like this.

Dehlida · 06-23-11, 04:16 PM

The funny part is, all the reptiles that die in my care are used as feeders, and nothing is wasted. Animals who die because they are SICK are not fed out to anything, however a snake I have had for a long time who is visibally healthy I see no reason to not use it fully in it's death as a food source, so you can take that crap elsewhere.

As for cruelty, why is it that when faced with a serious medical condition that any other owner can make the decision to put their pet down, however if I make that decision, I'm cruel and should be reported? Accidents happen, illness happens, sometimes the cards simply don't play out. Saying I should be reported because I choose to humanely put down my pet rather than pay hundreds in vet bills is both ludicrous and stupid.