Can't find an Eastern Black Rat Snake (Pantherophis Alleghaniensis)

[eminart]

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[DDW]

Originally Posted by eminart

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Not to sidetrack or anything, but do you have experience dealing with this site? (Just curious, looks like a good thing to keep for future reference) ^.=.^ I'm having a hard time deciding what site would be good to order from

Snake523: good luck finding your Eastern black rat snake

[Snake523]

Originally Posted by eminart

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That goes to a Western Black Snake, I want an Eastern Black Snake. Thanks for the help though

[toddnbecka]

Chances are they're illegal to collect and sell in NC, check your local DNR website for that info. Here in MD you can do it legally if you have a permit to breed them in captivity, but they can't be sold in the surrounding states because they're a native (and therefore protected) species in PA, VA, WV...

[Roman]

I am certainly no expert on North American rat snakes, but according to the (German) Wikipedia the former species of Pantherophis obsoletus with several subspecies was divided into three species (Burbrink 2001). So the former subspecies Pantherophis obsoletus deckerti, Pantherophis obsoletus rossaleni und Pantherophis obsoletus quadrivittata are now placed in the new species Pantherophis alleghaniensis.

Unfortunately many shops still use the old notation (it has been only 15 years since the group was rearranged), so in order to get the snake you are looking for you should also search for

Pantherophis obsoletus deckerti (or even Elaphe obsoleta deckerti)
Pantherophis obsoletus rossaleni (Elaphe obsoleta rossalleni)
Pantherophis obsoletus quadrivittata (Elaphe obsoleta quadrivittata)

Roman