Morph/species related illness?

[yeloowtang]

here's a list hard to find of known issues..

Spider Wobble
Woma Wobble
Hidden Gene Woma Wobble
Champagne Wobble
Super Sable Wobble
Powerball Wobble
Sable x Spider Difficult to hatch, severe wobble
Champagne x Hidden Gene Woma Severe wobble
Champagne x Spider Lethal
Pearl Normally Lethal
Super Champagne Lethal
Desert Female fertility issues
Caramel Albino Kinking and female sub-fertility
Super Cinnamon/Super Black Pastel Duckbill & rare kinking
Super Lesser Platinum/Super Butter Bug eyes
Lesser Platinum x Piedbald Small Eyes
Banana/Coral Glow Males produce weird sex ratios
Homozygous Spider Mysteriously non-existent

[lady_bug87]

Bearded dragons are so inbred that a lot of them die waay earlier than they should.

[DDW]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

Bearded dragons are so inbred that a lot of them die waay earlier than they should.

Makes sense, bearded dragons are so popular, everyone wants one, so irresponsible breeders breed them so much, it ends up being like a puppy mill. So instead of getting a quality animal, you get an animal with compromised health of some sort.

[yeloowtang]

exactly Aareon and thanks for pointing that out. doesn't mean that they will all or at all show these traits..

spider is a good one to explain this..

you can have a spider with no wobble at all, and others with severe wobbles.. one can have none and get it as they get older.. in the absolute worst case scenario.. one would have to position the meal close in front of the snake..
it's not that they don't detect the heat source, they can't seem to aim at it..and strike all over the place going nuts trying to find the rat.. my calibee is like that, more so when a baby and much better now.

a spider with no wobble can put out babies with severe, and one with severe can give babies without... it's a hit and miss.

in all cases, the snakes can live a full life, they just act funny..

as for the ones you pointed out or the whole list for that matter... it's a list that i came accross from an accumilitive know issues with certain genes..
as you said, doesn't mean they will all have it, but known issues that were produced more than once is the reason they are mentionned..

i'm sure there are more to add to the list and will be revealed in the future after $$$ has been made off these snakes..

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by yeloowtang

.... but known issues that were produced more than once is the reason they are mentionned....

This isn't entirely true. Super champ was done once and the animal died shortly leaving the egg in 2013. Everyone then wrote it off as "lethal".

Unfortunately, people are quick to make judgements on a single case instead of waiting it out.

[DDW]

Thank you for all this information y'all have given and gone out of your way to give me this info. I find this very interesting and helpful in knowing what I could get into by buying certain snakes (or any reptiles) in the future.

[Moreau]

Also neurological issues in Jaguar carpet pythons, similar to spider balls.
Super Jaguars (jag to jag) is also a lethal combo, producing Leucistic carpets that don't live.

Super form of motley in Columbian boas is lethal as well. Produces a black snake that does not survive. Central American super motleys however seem to be ok.

[MDT]

Originally Posted by Moreau

Also neurological issues in Jaguar carpet pythons, similar to spider balls.
Super Jaguars (jag to jag) is also a lethal combo, producing Leucistic carpets that don't live.

The infamous jag neuro weirdness....

[PsychoSnake]

Limburg albino rosy boas are prone to tail kinks.

[lady_bug87]

Yes my darling but we both know that you can further collections/ projects polygenetically without sacrificing quality and gene variability.

Those things are not mutually exclusive

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

Yes my darling but we both know that you can further collections/ projects polygenetically without sacrificing quality and gene variability.

Those things are not mutually exclusive

True.

I was trying to say we should all be concious of how the good and bad genes work so we can do just as you believe.

[lady_bug87]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

True.

I was trying to say we should all be concious of how the good and bad genes work so we can do just as you believe.

True story bro.

[RAD House]

Not sure how him talking about his personal experience is the same as him saying "things like they're fact". Who knows maybe you are the genius amongst dunces. I have read in several different forums that the spider gene is associated with head wobble. No one is doing studies on the issues of captive bred pet snakes, so all we have to go off of is the word of people in the hobby. No one said that all spider morphs all have head wobble just that they see it more often in this morph than others.

[DDW]

Come on, please calm down, I hate to see people fight can we take a deep breathe and think. What is better for the forum? If new members end up reading fights between our own members, they might decide against staying, why don't we see what other than negative comments and such we can say please.

[trailblazer295]

Originally Posted by DDW

Come on, please calm down, I hate to see people fight can we take a deep breathe and think. What is better for the forum? If new members end up reading fights between our own members, they might decide against staying, why don't we see what other than negative comments and such we can say please.

I've been on forums for pets, cars, electronics, snowmobiles etc for years. Members go back and forth all the time. It's not unique at all. Don't worry about it, just grab some popcorn.


On the original note what are species and or genes that have common issues. I started reading this for my own knowledge and learn what snakes to avoid the next time I want to add to my collection.