UV question - Page 2

formica · 08-12-13, 02:15 AM

10.0 toothless

your basking area, or the lights, should be adjustable, so that you can maintain the correct tempreture on the surface - then use the recomended specs that come with the UV light to positition the UV light

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Originally Posted by murrindindi

Hi again, can you please give details of the ages the different species reach in the wild so we can try and get a few comparisons?
In your experience, how old were "they" at death in captivity when fully supported (even without UVB, which you say is essential)?
I suspect that most monitors in the wild do NOT live to any great age (for a number of reasons).

15 years in captivity is considered old, 40 year old specimens found in the wild. do your own research, its all there to be found.

Of course most monitors do not live to a great age, this is true for all animals, including humans, most die far younger than their potential, and why is that?

bad diet, lack of exercise, various cancer causing habits, changes in habitat and habits...etc

infernalis · 08-16-13, 07:26 PM

Mine play tetherball with their lights.... go figure.

Toothless · 08-17-13, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

Mine play tetherball with their lights.... go figure.

How old are your ones now Wayne? I've watched most of your videos and they are some beautiful! (The one where you got bit was priceless- not looking forward to when it happens to me though

but hope I catch it on camera as well).

infernalis · 08-18-13, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Toothless

How old are your ones now Wayne?.

Fed Ex delivered them as babies on 03/13-2012

Thanks for the compliments.. appreciated.

murrindindi · 08-19-13, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

Fed Ex delivered them as babies on 03/13-2012

Thanks for the compliments.. appreciated.

Hi Wayne, have you managed to measure them lately? I ask because you mentioned a few weeks ago that they were smaller than the average captive (they don`t seem "small" in the latest videos), though I know one was significantly larger than the other for a time, at least.

B_Aller · 08-18-13, 10:01 AM

Just one more successful keeper adding to the pile of "UV is not necessary for varanids"
Tried all of the brands and types of bulb out there, never seen a benefit over proper husbandry, never had anyone anywhere show me actual benefits from them. Your money, time and effort are better spent improving overall husbandry.
Just my 2 cents.
Best.

Toothless · 08-18-13, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by B_Aller

Just one more successful keeper adding to the pile of "UV is not necessary for varanids"
Tried all of the brands and types of bulb out there, never seen a benefit over proper husbandry, never had anyone anywhere show me actual benefits from them. Your money, time and effort are better spent improving overall husbandry.
Just my 2 cents.
Best.

I agree that the many keepers who have successfully raised and bred varanids shows that UVB is not essential, and I certainly have not seen any negative impacts from him not having access to UV lightins in the past year and a half, but figured why not...

. It certainly can't hurt and it makes me feel like I'm doing the best I can for him.
If you have any suggestions on other ways I may be able to improve his husbandry I'm all ears

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infernalis · 08-19-13, 12:24 PM

They evened out now... growth has slowed, but oddly appetite has not.

close to the 30 inch mark now. They easily put down 3 chicks each (chicken hatchlings) in one feeding and look for more

I think you are correct about the size thing, the slender girth makes the whole animal appear smaller.

Toothless · 08-19-13, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

They evened out now... growth has slowed, but oddly appetite has not.

close to the 30 inch mark now. They easily put down 3 chicks each (chicken hatchlings) in one feeding and look for more

I think you are correct about the size thing, the slender girth makes the whole animal appear smaller.

How much do you feed your guys per week? Ours are about the same age but it appears as though you may be feeding much more than I do- mine gets approx 2 chicks, 2 gerbils, and 50-100 roaches a week to maintain in good shape. It'd be nice to know if my guy's appetite is similar to yours as you have some very healthy looking savs- wish my guy looked as good as yours (he has lots of muscles, but not alot of belly tone).

murrindindi · 08-19-13, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Toothless

How much do you feed your guys per week? Ours are about the same age but it appears as though you may be feeding much more than I do- mine gets approx 2 chicks, 2 gerbils, and 50-100 roaches a week to maintain in good shape. It'd be nice to know if my guy's appetite is similar to yours as you have some very healthy looking savs- wish my guy looked as good as yours (he has lots of muscles, but not alot of belly tone).

Hi, I think you mentioned your monitor is around 18 months old, what`s the SV or ToL just now?
In the pics you showed recently the animal is in nice condition, this species is relatively`stockily" built (having a tail around the same length as the SV adds to that appearance), they are NOT very slender as some other species are, at least once they reach maturity, which I would think he has. "Stocky" does not mean overweight.
What size are the gerbils?

Toothless · 08-19-13, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by murrindindi

Hi, I think you mentioned your monitor is around 18 months old, what`s the SV or ToL just now?
In the pics you showed recently the animal is in nice condition, this species is relatively`stockily" built (having a tail around the same length as the SV adds to that appearance), they are NOT very slender as some other species are, at least once they reach maturity, which I would think he has. "Stocky" does not mean overweight.
What size are the gerbils?

The ToL is approximately 3 feet- I have to wait until he lays stretched out on something then take an approx length so the ToL is a pretty close estimate- I can't measure him directly. He's just starting another shed, so he may be going threw another growth spurt.

The gerbils are pretty close to full sized (sometimes I substitute four mice if my supply's running low).

I agree he's not overweight, but when I look at Wayne's photos their stomach's appear much more toned and muscled then my guy's- just wondering if that means something, or if he's just starting to fill out...

murrindindi · 08-20-13, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Toothless

The ToL is approximately 3 feet- I have to wait until he lays stretched out on something then take an approx length so the ToL is a pretty close estimate- I can't measure him directly. He's just starting another shed, so he may be going threw another growth spurt.

The gerbils are pretty close to full sized (sometimes I substitute four mice if my supply's running low).

I agree he's not overweight, but when I look at Wayne's photos their stomach's appear much more toned and muscled then my guy's- just wondering if that means something, or if he's just starting to fill out...

Hi again, I think if the monitor is around 3 feet ToL he`s doing o.k (so are you).
In my opinion, Wayne`s monitors were at one point underfed, the smaller animal in particular had very little body condition. I understand it was mainly because of the larger animal dominated the feedings which is natural under the circumstances.
I know that Wayne has taken steps to make sure they both get their share of the food now and the smaller has caught up in size which is great to hear. I think they both look in better condition than they have for some time at the moment, judging by the latest video and photos.

It`s easier to get either the SV or tail length, then double those for the ToL, it won`t be too far out.

nepoez · 08-30-13, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Toothless

The ToL is approximately 3 feet- I have to wait until he lays stretched out on something then take an approx length so the ToL is a pretty close estimate- I can't measure him directly. He's just starting another shed, so he may be going threw another growth spurt.

The gerbils are pretty close to full sized (sometimes I substitute four mice if my supply's running low).

I agree he's not overweight, but when I look at Wayne's photos their stomach's appear much more toned and muscled then my guy's- just wondering if that means something, or if he's just starting to fill out...

Ab machine and sit up?

murrindindi · 08-19-13, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

They evened out now... growth has slowed, but oddly appetite has not.

close to the 30 inch mark now. They easily put down 3 chicks each (chicken hatchlings) in one feeding and look for more

I think you are correct about the size thing, the slender girth makes the whole animal appear smaller.

Thanks Wayne, their growth should pick up again, they seem to grow in spurts. It`s good to hear the smaller one has caught up, they look bigger than 30inches in the videos (obviously you`re there with them, I`m not)!?
I use chicks as a "filler" more than anything, not to suggest they aren`t nutritious (obviously mine takes slightly bigger prey).

infernalis · 08-19-13, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by murrindindi

Thanks Wayne, their growth should pick up again, they seem to grow in spurts. It`s good to hear the smaller one has caught up, they look bigger than 30inches in the videos (obviously you`re there with them, I`m not)!?
I use chicks as a "filler" more than anything, not to suggest they aren`t nutritious (obviously mine takes slightly bigger prey).

You may be right, I really need to pin one down and measure it, surely a food offer afterward will bribe him to not retaliate.

They still sort of give each other little nips and nudges, but the back riding has either slowed or is happening when I am not looking.