monitor has gas? - Page 4

murrindindi · 02-14-13, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

He is fed in his set up in the afternoon and isnt on the run with a fresh meal

Unless you`re feeding to satiation at every meal, the monitor will be quite capable of running, climbing, swimming etc, immediately after ingestion and for some time after, obviously providing it`s operating at "activity temp" levels.

dinosaurdammit · 02-14-13, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jarich

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My recommendation DD would be to take the squid out of the equation first. There are many people who feed their monitors eggs without any issue regarding gas or anything else. However, I have never heard of anyone feeding squid, and as its an odd food source for a monitor, that seems statistically much more likely to be the candidate for gas.

He has been eating squid ever since I got him back in like november? He hasnt had a problem since then its just now but I am going to go just a rodent diet and see if that solves anything, if not, then I am back at square one

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Originally Posted by murrindindi

Hi, I would still like to see a few photos of the setup and monitor, is that possible?
If the animal is outside the enclosure for anything more than a very few minutes it`s core body temp will drop, and obviously the smaller the mass the quicker it falls. What`s the ambient temp in the room when he/she is out?

I have about 3 pictures of the inside that a friend took but i dont have any photos of the whole thing :/ only camera ive got is a web cam at the moment I will see if i can go bugger chantha to borrow her nikon as soon as i can

dinosaurdammit · 02-14-13, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by murrindindi

Unless you`re feeding to satiation at every meal, the monitor will be quite capable of running, climbing, swimming etc, immediately after ingestion and for some time after, obviously providing it`s operating at "activity temp" levels.

by "on the run" i mean out and about in the house after a meal after eating he goes back to monitorly duties and has an amazing feeding response.

jarich · 02-14-13, 04:40 PM

What size rats are you feeding? If youre talking anything other than adult rats then Id recommend keeping the crayfish as part of the diet.

murrindindi · 02-14-13, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

by "on the run" i mean out and about in the house after a meal after eating he goes back to monitorly duties and has an amazing feeding response.

I understood what you meant by out and about, but you said not just after having something to eat, I`m saying that wouldn`t make any difference (cause problems), they ARE still very active after eating something (unless it`s a huge meal)!
Are you feeding a whole squid, if yes, how big in relation to the monitor is it (or what % of the diet)?
I`ve fed pieces of squid for a number of years to several Varanid species with no problems whatsoever, though it`s never been the most important (main) item, just a relatively small part.

murrindindi · 02-14-13, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jarich

What size rats are you feeding? If youre talking anything other than adult rats then Id recommend keeping the crayfish as part of the diet.

I agree, there`s no reason at all to take crayfish out.

dinosaurdammit · 02-14-13, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jarich

What size rats are you feeding? If youre talking anything other than adult rats then Id recommend keeping the crayfish as part of the diet.

he is a small monitor and can really only handle the small rats

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Originally Posted by murrindindi

I understood what you meant by out and about, but you said not just after having something to eat, I`m saying that wouldn`t make any difference (cause problems), they ARE still very active after eating something (unless it`s a huge meal)!
Are you feeding a whole squid, if yes, how big in relation to the monitor is it (or what % of the diet)?
I`ve fed pieces of squid for a number of years to several Varanid species with no problems whatsoever, though it`s never been the most important (main) item, just a relatively small part.

he gets into food moods where he only wants a few things so i guess squid is a higher percentage than it should be. And when he eats he eats so much so that his belly dangles until the next morning. He is active he just seems to eat more than i think he should but ive always been told feed until they wont take it, problem for me is I usually run out before he is done eating. When I first got him he wanted to eat so much till he actually puked, he hasnt puked since but the person before me only fed once a week.

Also i had a thought. He pooped earlier and it looked funny, it had a big glob of hardened stuff in it. Now I use a good bit of clay in his substrate, could the clay be causing a problem when he eats? I just recently added a new clay recently. Like could the clay acting like a cork? He is a messy eater and usually eats a crap ton of dirt with his food.

Pirarucu · 02-14-13, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

Also i had a thought. He pooped earlier and it looked funny, it had a big glob of hardened stuff in it. Now I use a good bit of clay in his substrate, could the clay be causing a problem when he eats? I just recently added a new clay recently. Like could the clay acting like a cork? He is a messy eater and usually eats a crap ton of dirt with his food.

To me this seems like a more likely scenario. You did not have the problem before the switch, right? It seems more reasonable his plumbing is a bit stopped up rather than his normal diet suddenly causing problems.

dinosaurdammit · 02-14-13, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pirarucu

To me this seems like a more likely scenario. You did not have the problem before the switch, right? It seems more reasonable his plumbing is a bit stopped up rather than his normal diet suddenly causing problems.

it wouldnt have even occurred to me until he pooped, he actually strained so hard both hemipeens came out and it took him a second to poop, i didnt have this problem before the switch. I am going to take it out and see if it helps with everything else im trying

jarich · 02-14-13, 05:27 PM

Ya, I thought you might be feeding small rats, hence why you need to keep the crayfish. Small rodents dont have calcified bones yet, so their Ca:P ratios are less than ideal. Keeping the crayfish in the diet will keep his ratio nice and high like you want it.

As for the clay, when you say you added it recently, how recently? As in the day before the gas problem happened or a couple weeks ago? Unless he is dehydrated, it shouldnt be anything that plugs him up. It would pass with each bowel movement just like the rest of the waste. Clay doesnt cause it not be able to pass wastes, there are many animals that actively eat clay. However, it does seem possible that something in that new soil could be making things a little funny in his stomach. Try feeding him on a plate or something similar and see if that helps clear his gas problem.

dinosaurdammit · 02-14-13, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jarich

Ya, I thought you might be feeding small rats, hence why you need to keep the crayfish. Small rodents dont have calcified bones yet, so their Ca:P ratios are less than ideal. Keeping the crayfish in the diet will keep his ratio nice and high like you want it.

As for the clay, when you say you added it recently, how recently? As in the day before the gas problem happened or a couple weeks ago? Unless he is dehydrated, it shouldnt be anything that plugs him up. It would pass with each bowel movement just like the rest of the waste. Clay doesnt cause it not be able to pass wastes, there are many animals that actively eat clay. However, it does seem possible that something in that new soil could be making things a little funny in his stomach. Try feeding him on a plate or something similar and see if that helps clear his gas problem.

for the rats, he just cannot physically eat big rats, and i will keep the mudbugs. As for the dirt i just got a clay mix so their might be something else in there i am not aware of. I got it locally from someone who was building a basement and had some topsoil for grabs. I added it saturday, this problem started monday

murrindindi · 02-14-13, 05:36 PM

O.k, I`ll make a more comments; for the hatchlings and juveniles you can feed as much as they will eat daily, and because their metabolism is at it`s highest it shouldn`t cause them to become overweight, they`ll use all the energy on growth (which is what your monitor should be doing). If the temps, etc have been less than recommended for even a short time, it could have possibly caused a build up of undigested food.
I too doubt adding some clay would have caused a problem unles he/she swallowed a relatively large piece, then it could have caused a blockage.

dinosaurdammit · 02-14-13, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by murrindindi

O.k, I`ll make a more comments; for the hatchlings and juveniles you can feed as much as they will eat daily, and because their metabolism is at it`s highest it shouldn`t cause them to become overweight, they`ll use all the energy on growth (which is what your monitor should be doing). If the temps, etc have been less than recommended for even a short time, it could have possibly caused a build up of undigested food.
I too doubt adding some clay would have caused a problem unles he/she swallowed a relatively large piece, then it could have caused a blockage.

at times ive seen him get big mouthfuls of dirt, most recently saturday night while trying to eat a rat. My monitor also isnt a juvi or baby, he is over 3 years old, how much should i be feeding a 3 year old monitor

murrindindi · 02-14-13, 06:38 PM

Sorry, I thought you`d only just got it and it was very young.
You can still feed daily, but make it smaller ammounts, it`s about offering energy comparable to the ammount they use (if he looks heavy cut down, it`s that easy)!

Please try and get a few photos asap, actually seeing how he is now would be helpful.

KORBIN5895 · 02-14-13, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by concinnusman

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Originally Posted by murrindindi

Hi, I would still like to see a few photos of the setup and monitor, is that possible?
If the animal is outside the enclosure for anything more than a very few minutes it`s core body temp will drop, and obviously the smaller the mass the quicker it falls. What`s the ambient temp in the room when he/she is out?

Honest question. Would their body really cool down and have adverse affects that quick? If so what do they do in the wild when temps drop for a couple of days?